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jack c.
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Posted - 06/11/2014 :  11:14:14 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  [Reply to Topic]  | [Reply w/ Quote]
sonar 8 So I have a new song that has 3 synths lush string pads that I sent to 1 bus.the vocal is buried from the synths.to this bus i tried adding a sonitus compressor and later sonitus gate routed vocal to the sonitus's but the vocal is to soft.so how can I approach this a different way?



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mcintalker
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Posted - 06/11/2014 :  7:31:31 PM  Show Profile  Visit mcintalker's Homepage  Reply with Quote
You can select the vocal track and boost the gain in Process Audio upper left of your Sonar window.

1. Select your vocal track (the whole track)
2. Click on Process (upper left corner)
3. Click Apply Affect and you'll see Gain in the middle of the column of options
4. You can apply more gain more than once, if it doesn't get loud enough.

OR

Get the vocal on it's own buss and if you put a compressor on it boost it's gain till you get what you want.

Having the synths trigger the compressor might actually be turning your vocal down! Don't group them.

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dirtysteve
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Posted - 06/11/2014 :  9:51:06 PM  Show Profile  Visit dirtysteve's Homepage  Reply with Quote
You might have to carve some mids out of the synth's to make room for the vocals. Pull down at 1kHz by 6dB with a wide Q and see if that opens a little space for the vocals. Also pull down about 1dB at 22kHz with a narrow Q on the synth's and that should open up a little space for the higher freq's of the vocal to poke through the mix.

Synthesizers can totally dominate the entire spectrum when they're featured at high volumes.

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mcintalker
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Posted - 06/12/2014 :  08:22:00 AM  Show Profile  Visit mcintalker's Homepage  Reply with Quote
dirtysteve makes a good point that is true/very useable for any mix. Notching your instrument tracks in the 1500hz to 3k can make unintelligible vocals much clearer and boosting the vocals will make that even more apparent.

It is the same method for kick drum and bass. Pick which one gets to be louder at 40 or 80hz and 5k for example. This also works great for doubled guitar parts and tracks that are in the same register/octave.

@jack You didn't mention whether the pads are full stereo or panned at all. If you can notch the center of the pads volume-wise, so they are more out to the sides, you'll make more room for the vocals.

Another option is ducking. Scott will know if Sonar 8 has it. (I never had 8). With ducking whenever the vocals appear you can have the synth pads turned down. This was used all the time in commercials. As the announcer talked the backing tracks dropped.

Michael
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jack c.
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Posted - 06/12/2014 :  09:11:26 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
thanks great insight.

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Posted - 06/12/2014 :  7:17:45 PM  Show Profile  Visit Old Goat's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I use automation to duck volumes of guitars, etc. I have also used an automated eq to make a little room during vocal phrases. Takes a bit of time, but worth it.

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mcintalker
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Posted - 06/12/2014 :  7:27:31 PM  Show Profile  Visit mcintalker's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Sort of like Ed, I use envelopes to control the volume of certain/all instruments "behind" the vocal phrases.

Ducking can be set up to have one track (ie your vocal)automatically lower the volume of anything you want. You could put it on a buss for instance.

I prefer to sculpt things, with envelopes as I build/mix a song. With a DAW you can do anything several ways and you get to pick what "works best for you". How cool is that?!
Michael
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