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LordElpus
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Posted - 01/13/2013 :  09:57:20 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  [Reply to Topic]  | [Reply w/ Quote]
Hi all,

I am new to this forum (thanks Scott) but having had a good read through the various topics I am very happy to be here. You all seem to be friendly so I thought I would seek your advice and opinions on my dilemma!

The latest enticement from Cakewalk to upgrade to X2a producer is very tempting, with the 'Content Club' being an extra inducement! As a relatively new X2a Studio user I am giving it serious consideration. However, the e-mail states that the upgrade is $199 (instead of $299) which at the current exchange rate with the UK is 123.30p.

So, I have to say I am confused when I look in my account for my upgrade price, and find it is quoting me 159, which is equivalent to $256.63 and not $199?

I know that here in the UK we never get a price that is comparable with the current exchange rate (why? I don't know) but there is no extra cost to Cakewalk as this is for the download with no box, disc or whatever.

I really like the idea of the Pro Channel, Breverb & TH2 and many users rave about these features being worth the upgrade alone.

So my question is do you feel the upgrade to producer I have been offered is worth the price I have been quoted?

Gary



I was born with nothing - I still have most of it.

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garrigus
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Posted - 01/14/2013 :  09:37:46 AM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hey Gary,

Welcome to DigiFreq! Be sure to sign up for the newsletter too, if you haven't already... http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/

It looks like someone from Cakewalk already answered your question over at their forums about the upgrade price.

As for whether it's worth it... I guess it depends if you think you need the new features. If you're currently using X1, then X2 is definitely a better experience. The workflow has changed again, but it much more polished now and Cakewalk has squashed a lot of bugs.

Scott

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LordElpus
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Posted - 01/15/2013 :  08:51:19 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Scott,

Yes, I understand their point but it is frustrating. VAT is a pain in the .....!

I currently use X2a Studio, with which I am slowly climbing the steep learning curve, which is not helped by the fact I cannot use it every day due to other commitments. However, I can forsee a time when I will be able to devote more time to it and I don't want to miss out on a good deal. My previous upgrade figure was 319 (and still is in my account) so a price of 159 would save me over 50%!

Gary

I was born with nothing - I still have most of it.
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LordElpus
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Posted - 01/16/2013 :  3:36:32 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well I bit the bullet and upgraded to X2 Producer! I just couldn't resist that offer!

Now I just have to wait while I download all the parts!!!

Gary

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garrigus
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Posted - 01/16/2013 :  3:39:55 PM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hey Gary,

Congrats! There's a lot to explore with X2. Yeah, it's a big download, but it shouldn't take too long if you have a good Internet connection.

Let us know how it goes...

Scott

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* Cakewalk SONAR Video Tutorials: https://www.youtube.com/user/ScottGarrigus?sub_confirmation=1
* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks
* Publisher of the DigiFreq music recording newsletter: http://www.digifreq.com/
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LordElpus
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Posted - 01/17/2013 :  3:38:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by garrigus

Hey Gary,

Congrats! There's a lot to explore with X2. Yeah, it's a big download, but it shouldn't take too long if you have a good Internet connection.

Let us know how it goes...

Scott




Thanks Scott. A lot to explore? I think that's an understatement! I have just taken another look at the reference guide - 1400+ pages?? aaarrrggghhh! :-)

Managed to get all the files downloaded but has taken a couple of days! I live in rural Wales so my Internet connection is only 2.2Meg! We only got Broadband about 5 years ago and there is no cable here. We are not even on the list for upgrading to 10 or 20meg for at least 5 years. There are even some places not far from us that do not have Broadband at all.

I have also had a few glitches with downloads stopping for no apparent reason but they are all downloaded now.

As my laptop is not particularly hi-spec I have transferred all my superfluous stuff to my NAS server before I do an install. My ultimate aim is to make use of my ageing desktop PC by just keeping the case and PSU and upgrading everything. I can then build a PC specifically for my music stuff.......

Gary

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garrigus
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Posted - 01/18/2013 :  09:22:05 AM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hey Gary,

Ouch... yeah, having a slow Net connection is not fun at all. Rememeber dial-up? Actually, you probably do if you only got broadband just five years ago.

Sounds like a good plan. What kind of upgrades will you be doing to the PC?

If the PSU is kind of old, you may need a new one of those as well. I've got a 600W unit in my PC and that seems to cover everything nicely.

Scott

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* Cakewalk SONAR Video Tutorials: https://www.youtube.com/user/ScottGarrigus?sub_confirmation=1
* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks
* Publisher of the DigiFreq music recording newsletter: http://www.digifreq.com/
* Publisher of the NewTechReview consumer tech newsletter: http://www.newtechreview.com/
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LordElpus
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Posted - 01/18/2013 :  2:15:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by garrigus

Hey Gary,
Ouch... yeah, having a slow Net connection is not fun at all. Rememeber dial-up? Actually, you probably do if you only got broadband just five years ago.
Sounds like a good plan. What kind of upgrades will you be doing to the PC?
If the PSU is kind of old, you may need a new one of those as well. I've got a 600W unit in my PC and that seems to cover everything nicely.
Scott



Remember Dial-Up? I am of a certain age to remember when the web was just text only!
My first dial up Modem was a 300/300 baud ex-BT (British Telecom) modem the size of an old Record Player/VHS Player! I used this to communicate with college when I was doing my HNC in Computer Studies. I would work on my assignments at home and upload them to the college machine. I also was one of the first people to use a Prestel Adapter (remember that?) which worked at 1200/75, as I got one of the prototypes for review. My RS232 interface was home built as my PC, a Dragon 64, didn't have one! I used to use OS9, a unix style OS, and I had both Cobol and Pascal compilers. Slow? Hah :-)

As for my old PC I will just be keeping the case and starting from scratch with the Motherboard and working up from there. I probably will need a new PSU. I have been looking at some of the 'kits' from Maplin, but I also subscribe to Custom PC so I may go my own way. Probably as a minimum an i5 processor (i7's are still a bit too pricey and don't give enough extra bang for the extra buck IMO) 8Gb of Ram (or 16 if I can afford it) a decent Graphics Card, a good quality sound card, hopefully an SSD and a 7200rpm HDD of at least 1Tb. I have a decent flat screen VDU already and I will probably use my Nearfield Monitors for sound (when I get them!) This is a long term project which, by the time I complete it, I will be an experienced Sonar user!!!

If you have any advice or pitfalls to avoid, I am all ears.

Gary

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garrigus
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Posted - 01/19/2013 :  09:10:44 AM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Wow, yeah, you were online before me. I started with an Atari ST and 1200 baud modem to access the GEnie network. I never dabbled in Cobol, but I did study Pascal. That was a fun language.

Sounds like you have a good plan. I don't really have any advice for specific PC components, etc. My last PC was built by Sweetwater, so I'm not up on the current components. I did go with an i7 though so I wouldn't have to upgrade anytime soon. The more RAM, the better, but you already know that. 8GB will be plenty though if you don't need to load up a lot of soft synths.

SSD drives are one of the best upgrades out there now. They improve performance so much, it's amazing. I love to use them for streaming sample libraries.

Scott

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* Cakewalk SONAR Video Tutorials: https://www.youtube.com/user/ScottGarrigus?sub_confirmation=1
* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks
* Publisher of the DigiFreq music recording newsletter: http://www.digifreq.com/
* Publisher of the NewTechReview consumer tech newsletter: http://www.newtechreview.com/
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LordElpus
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Posted - 01/19/2013 :  12:50:30 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Scott,

I used a great book entitled The Hackers Handbook and I managed to connect to a U.S. Bulletin Board via a satellite link using JANET (Joint Academic Network). That was in an earlier life when I enjoyed and had the time for hacking and when I had hair!! :-)

I upgraded to an Atari ST after the Dragon. I am still in contact with quite a few people from the Atari days and those that used to write for the Atari Magazines. They started up Atari World magazine which was the last glossy magazine for the Atari :-(

My favourite BB system was CIX (Compulink Information Exchange) there was a very lively Atari group on there.

I have just persuaded one of my old Atari friends, who now has a PC of course, to get Music Creator 6 to cut his teeth on. So he may come on here or the Cakewalk forum sometime asking questions.

I enjoyed Pascal & Cobol but I came to the conclusion I would never make a programmer as long as I had a hole in my butt - it was just too boring. I enjoyed the Systems Analysis though.

I may consider Sweetwater for my desktop machine if I run out of time - they have some fantastic kit and their prices are reasonable - but I can save quite a few pounds if I do it myself.

Yes, an SSD will be a priority. Hopefully they will come down in price or offer more storage as HDD's have. Some say windows boots in a fraction of the time from an SSD. I am forever tweaking my machine to get it to boot up in less than 5 minutes!! :-0

Gary

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garrigus
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Posted - 01/20/2013 :  09:38:06 AM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hey Gary,

Definitely... let your friend know about the forum and tell him to sign up for the free DigiFreq newsletter too...
http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/

The more people we have around here, the merrier.

Yeah, you'll definitely save money by building your own machine. I'll probably go that way next time, just for fun and to afford even more powerful components. But it'll still be a while before that happens because my current machine is maxed out and can run pretty much anything.

Scott

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Scott R. Garrigus - http://www.garrigus.com
* Cakewalk SONAR Video Tutorials: https://www.youtube.com/user/ScottGarrigus?sub_confirmation=1
* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks
* Publisher of the DigiFreq music recording newsletter: http://www.digifreq.com/
* Publisher of the NewTechReview consumer tech newsletter: http://www.newtechreview.com/
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LordElpus
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Posted - 01/20/2013 :  7:57:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by garrigus

...... But it'll still be a while before that happens because my current machine is maxed out and can run pretty much anything.

Scott




Yeah, I've been following the thread on your Rack XT - that's one awesome piece of kit. 24G of Ram! yowzer!

Will pass the link to my friend. He has already joined the Cakewalk forum!

Cheers

Gary

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