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dirtysteve
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Posted - 06/29/2012 :  6:22:45 PM  Show Profile  Visit dirtysteve's Homepage  Reply with Quote  [Reply to Topic]  | [Reply w/ Quote]
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Just wanted to take a moment to thank everyone who recommended Sony Vegas to me about a year ago. I did spring for Vegas Movie Studio Platinum HD but haven't used it until very recently. So far it's been fantastic and I'll start shooting for my training videos as soon as I pick a camcorder to use. For 3 years I've just been using a logitech webcam.

So, thanks to Scott and everyone else who gave me such good advice on this.

Next is a focus on how to maximize my budget for the best camcorder I can find. Low-level lighting (indoors), and high resolution are what I want most. I could go for the more analog look of the sony or panasonic cams but I understand the effect loses it's lustre on bigger screens like a television.

Is anyone using the Canon Vixia "R" series models?



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garrigus
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Posted - 06/29/2012 :  7:31:29 PM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hey DS,

No problem. Glad to help. Yeah, Vegas is excellent and I've used it for all the Web videos I've done so far...
http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/videos.asp

Haven't used the Canon. I haven't needed anything fancy yet, so believe it or not, I've been using those Flip UltraHD Cameras for any of my live shots.
http://www.newtechreview.com/cooltechshop/index.asp?ID=Flip%20Video%20UltraHD%20Video%20Camera%208GB

I've got a few of them mounted on tripods so I can also do multi-angle shoots simultaneously. They work really well, but they don't have any extra features... no zoom, no built-in light, etc. So I have to plan out my shots a little more carefully and light the area well.

So what kind of vids are you working on? Just curious...

Scott

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dirtysteve
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Posted - 06/29/2012 :  8:02:17 PM  Show Profile  Visit dirtysteve's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Scott, I'm making a DVD series to go with a book I'm writing astrology. The book is about how to use astrology for creative empowerment, self-awareness, and transpersonal growth. Anyway, it's a training video that teaches my unique method of astrology and a new approach to understanding the deeper meanings and uses of astrology rather than the traditional archetypal uses. I could get away with using a Flip Ultra but I'm concerned with quality of resolution on bigger screens like television screens. I don't need features so much as I need true HD.

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garrigus
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Posted - 06/30/2012 :  10:22:11 AM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Cool... that sounds like an interesting project. It's a lot of work, but it's worth it when you get to see the final results.

You may know this already, but since you're releasing on DVD, there's really not much you can do to make it look better on larger TVs.

The highest HDTV is 1080p = 1920 x 1080 resolution
The midrange HDTV is 720p = 1280 x 720
DVD is only 720 x 480 (for the US NTSC format)

The Flip cams shoot at 1280 x 720, so even then you're going to have to transcode the video (which should be handled by the software automatically) down to DVD resolution.

So even if you buy a different cam that shoots at 1080p, you'll still be converting down to DVD resolution. As long as the cam doesn't shoot a crappy, out of focus picture, it should work for DVD.

Scott

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dirtysteve
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Posted - 07/03/2012 :  8:58:34 PM  Show Profile  Visit dirtysteve's Homepage  Reply with Quote
That's a good point Scott, and my Sony bundle does include DVD Architect, which I assume will handle the conversion and burning process. There seems like such a significant difference between 720p and 1080p resolution. The detail seems sharper.

I'm kinda bummed though, I fell in love with an Olympus XZ-1 for how it takes single shots but the video format is "moving-jpg"? Not sure if Sony Vegas will import that format? And Fuji uses .mov which is that funky Apple format and I don't think Sony Vegas goes there either.

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garrigus
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Posted - 07/04/2012 :  09:43:11 AM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yep, DVD Architect should handle the conversion.

Oh, there's definitely a difference between 720p and 1080p, but I don't think you'll see it after you convert down to DVD.

I would buy a video camera and not a photo camera for video work. You can just grab a still from the video, if you need to do that.

"Moving-Jpeg"... I think you mean Motion-JPEG and I haven't used that format, but I think Vegas does support it, but it may only be in the Vegas Pro version. Not sure.

MOV format should work fine. That is actually QuickTime, which runs on both Mac and Windows. You just need to install the free QuickTime player in order to access that format.

The Flip cams use the more standard MP4 format, which is what I use for my stuff and it works nicely.

Scott

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dirtysteve
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Posted - 07/05/2012 :  12:02:14 AM  Show Profile  Visit dirtysteve's Homepage  Reply with Quote
After checking out user videos taken with the GoPro Hero2 I'm actually impressed with it compared to most of the others. Check this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-2EvDV9vlM&feature=related

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garrigus
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Posted - 07/05/2012 :  07:45:43 AM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I don't know anything about the GoPro Hero2, but yeah, that picture looks good.

Scott

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dirtysteve
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Posted - 07/31/2012 :  2:03:09 PM  Show Profile  Visit dirtysteve's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Scott, I ended up going with the Canon VIXIA HF R300 at the internet price of $299. I went to best buy and compared pic quality of all the other camcorders in that price range and felt the canon had the best clarity, definition, and color.

The GoPro just had too many accessories you have to buy, creating sort of a "hidden" end-price or final-cash-layout that was beyond what I wanted to spend.

I've only had the vixia for a day but it's impressive so far and easy to use.

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garrigus
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Posted - 08/01/2012 :  08:38:01 AM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hey DS,

Cool... I've never used the R300, but I looked it up and the specs look nice. The only thing that may cause you trouble is the battery life. I read that it takes a couple hours to charge, but only provides about 25 minutes of run time.

Scott

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Jim Sturm
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Posted - 08/01/2012 :  1:23:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Since I work for Canon, I didn't think it would be fair or ethical for me to make a recommendation. I am a bit prejudiced when it comes to their products.

I've been a customer for a lot longer than I've been an employee, but I've NEVER been disappointed with any of their products.

Can't exactly accuse them of being inexpensive, however...


-Jim

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garrigus
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Posted - 08/02/2012 :  09:04:38 AM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hey Jim,

What do you do for Canon? Just curious...

Scott

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* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks
* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar ProAudioTutor video tutorial series: http://garrigus.com/?ProAudioTutor
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Jim Sturm
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Posted - 08/03/2012 :  1:18:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by garrigus

Hey Jim,

What do you do for Canon? Just curious...

Scott




I'm a manufacturing/controls engineer. I design, build, program and install automation assembly, disassembly and test equipment. Also data collection, robotics, vision... whatever.

Sometimes I get stuck doing a lot of project management, which I don't care for at all.

-Jim

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garrigus
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Posted - 08/04/2012 :  09:11:35 AM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jim Sturm

I'm a manufacturing/controls engineer. I design, build, program and install automation assembly, disassembly and test equipment. Also data collection, robotics, vision... whatever.

Sometimes I get stuck doing a lot of project management, which I don't care for at all.

-Jim



Sounds like a complicated job. But as long as you enjoy it, that's all that really matters.

Scott

Scott R. Garrigus - http://garrigus.com - http://musictechshop.com - http://cooltechshop.com
* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks
* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar ProAudioTutor video tutorial series: http://garrigus.com/?ProAudioTutor
* Publisher of the DigiFreq free music technology newsletter: http://digifreq.com/?DigiFreq
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dirtysteve
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Posted - 08/04/2012 :  11:35:10 AM  Show Profile  Visit dirtysteve's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jim Sturm

quote:
Originally posted by garrigus

Hey Jim,

What do you do for Canon? Just curious...

Scott




I'm a manufacturing/controls engineer. I design, build, program and install automation assembly, disassembly and test equipment. Also data collection, robotics, vision... whatever.

Sometimes I get stuck doing a lot of project management, which I don't care for at all.

-Jim



So Jim, you actually design, build, program, and install robotics?

Sorry if that's just repeating what you already said, I'm just trying to clarify - LOL.

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Jim Sturm
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Posted - 08/05/2012 :  10:06:29 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dirtysteve

quote:
Originally posted by Jim Sturm

quote:
Originally posted by garrigus

Hey Jim,

What do you do for Canon? Just curious...

Scott




I'm a manufacturing/controls engineer. I design, build, program and install automation assembly, disassembly and test equipment. Also data collection, robotics, vision... whatever.

Sometimes I get stuck doing a lot of project management, which I don't care for at all.

-Jim



So Jim, you actually design, build, program, and install robotics?

Sorry if that's just repeating what you already said, I'm just trying to clarify - LOL.



The short answer is, yes.

I've been involved with automation integration since the late 70's actually - when PLCs were a relatively new concept. I've actually done designs with hardware relays! Robotics is part of it, as is machine vision, HMI interfaces, data collection and so on.

Projects usually run the full range from simple (and not so simple) conveyor control to full-blown, vision guided robotic assembly cells.

I get to play with some really expensive (and usually dangerous) toys!

-Jim



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Edited by - Jim Sturm on 08/05/2012 10:07:19 AM
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