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firefox
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Posted - 08/25/2006 :  09:15:09 AM  Show Profile  Visit firefox's Homepage  Reply with Quote  [Reply to Topic]  | [Reply w/ Quote]
Anybody checked out the demo yet as i don't have a m-audio card at present. They've added a lot of new features and soft synth support now. Just curious.


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garrigus
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Posted - 08/27/2006 :  4:37:16 PM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi Firefox,

Nope... are you planning on switching to Pro Tools?

Scott

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firefox
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Posted - 08/27/2006 :  6:43:33 PM  Show Profile  Visit firefox's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Actually Scott it' looks so inviting. All you need is a m-audio interface and not a digidesign 1000 dollar one.(the sofwares 247 dollars)
I've read that they have solved so major issues,like extreme latency and the new sound engine is a "no audio compromise" one. so......
I was watching some of the tutorials in the digidesign site as I was researching m-powered a bit more and I was blown away on how the guy could wiz around in the program so fast.
I'm sure though, he's a pro with a degree and I'm just flyin by the seat of my pants. As a lot of us here are.
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Rezn8
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Posted - 08/27/2006 :  7:33:41 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Firefox, you might want to talk to Justin Lynch at DAWBOX. He's been using pro tools with the m-audio interfaces and most recently with the firewire m-audio stuff.
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garrigus
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Posted - 08/27/2006 :  7:56:29 PM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hey Firefox -- Yeah, it always looks easy when you're watching someone else demo the software. If you learned all the keyboard shortcuts for Sonar, I'm sure you could wiz around the software just as easily.

Hey Rez -- Ask Justin if he can drop by and educate us all on the ProTools/M-Audio stuff...

Scott

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* Cakewalk SONAR Video Tutorials: https://www.youtube.com/user/ScottGarrigus?sub_confirmation=1
* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks
* Publisher of the DigiFreq music recording newsletter: http://www.digifreq.com/
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dawboxpro
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Posted - 08/28/2006 :  4:52:20 PM  Show Profile  Visit dawboxpro's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hey Guys!

I feel guilty not posting for so long but I have been swamped with stuff to do as of late. I will be out here posting much more to help out if that is ok.

ProTools M-Powered works very well with the FW M-Audio cards. It is essentialy the same software as you get with buying the hardware bundle from Digidesign minus some of the free oplug in's thrown in. I had a few kinks to iron out of it like this.

1. Be sure to update the M-Powered Software from the digi website using there patch or you will not get it to work.
2. Be sure to have the latest M-Audio driver from the m-audio website.

To clear up some confusion M-Audio was bought out by Digidesign becuase of the qaulity of there products. They are a division of Avid and owned by Digidesign. I have allways been a huge fan of M-audio and in my opinion they have done more for the industry in terms of nailing down a level of support, service and qaulity that few companies can match.

When you buy a M-Audio M-powered approved sound card it means you can run the M-Audio version of ProTools on any of the "Qaulified" interfaces. So why would you care sonar kicks ass!!! Of course it does and I am never going to stop using Sonar ever!!!! But if you need to work in ProTools for client purposes or because they want the files prepped in ProTools for the big studio you are now able to get at it for a fraction of the cost using the same interface that you run your Sonar on.

What I think is interesting is that by using the M-Audio products to run M-Powered ProTools it actualy needs less stringent hardware requirements than say an M-Box or a Digi-002. A stab in the dark suggests M-Audio is just that much better than everyone else at creating solid drivers to run 3rd party programs, Digidesign came from the mac side to the PC and ported there code for drivers. M-Audio since the Delta series simply made two separate driver sets.

Is $249.00 worth it to say yes I have ProTools when Sonar has everthing I could ever need? Hey if your only into blondes, then you see Jessica Simpson with a brunette wig on can't you have the best of both worlds?

I will leave that choice up to you. (LOL)

Feel free to check this out if your looking for a good deal on M-Powered or Sonar. Sonar of course is my first choice!!!

http://www.dawbox.com

Long PS.

The wizing part of ProTools is from experience in shortcuts. The same speed is achieved in Sonar or Acid/Soundforge with knowledge of shortcuts. I just have a screen saver of protools up so my clients think I am using it because they hear the word "ProTools" and they become a deer in the headlights as if now the tracks are going to spring into life and hand them a record deal, then I track, mix, and master in Sonar. (LOL)

As far as editing is concerned a good combo of Sonar/Acid/Soundforge is the fastest sweetest combo for production. You track in sonar, export to SF for fast editing, import back. Create sick drum parts, harmony part clips in Acid then just fly it into Sonar. There are a thousand ways to do it and thats what Scotts sweet books are for! to teach you how to do it at break kneck speed in your sleep.

Trust me ProTools takes just as long to learn to use well as Cubase, Sonar, Acid. The bottom line is you just have to sit down and learn. I have found that by getting together with other guys/gals who have a different production style using the same software is great! You trade secrets, tricks, tips. All of the awsome chop foundations I learned from a buddy back in 1997. The technology has changed but the foundation of organizing, editing, mixing, are the same.

In conclusin ProTools m-powered is worth $249.00 but not for the reason of thinking you can work better or faster than Sonar. If this is the case get Scott's books or hang out with these guys for a while until you become a machine!!!

Sorry for the spelling, the faster I type the worse it gets..

No one is going to find you, you have to get your music to them and do not fear rejection!

Edited by - dawboxpro on 08/28/2006 5:01:14 PM
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garrigus
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Posted - 08/30/2006 :  12:32:27 PM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hey Justin,

What are you doing in ACID that you can't do in Sonar? Just curious...

Scott

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* Cakewalk SONAR Video Tutorials: https://www.youtube.com/user/ScottGarrigus?sub_confirmation=1
* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks
* Publisher of the DigiFreq music recording newsletter: http://www.digifreq.com/
* Publisher of the NewTechReview consumer tech newsletter: http://www.newtechreview.com/
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firefox
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Posted - 08/30/2006 :  10:21:41 PM  Show Profile  Visit firefox's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Well curiosity killed the cat. I bought a m- audio 410 and pro tools m-powered. I must say the stock reverbs Ohhhhh a killer.
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Rezn8
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Posted - 08/30/2006 :  11:59:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by firefox

Well curiosity killed the cat. I bought a m- audio 410 and pro tools m-powered. I must say the stock reverbs Ohhhhh a killer.



Right on Firefox! You'll probably enjoy the 410, I've been digging my 1814 more and more with each session. If you have any problems with it go ahead and post because I've had to tweak my settings a little. I may be able to help; but it should rock right out of the box. I'd recommend the ASIO drivers right off the bat, BTW.

Is the stock reverb on pro-tools the LexiVerb?
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Davo
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Posted - 08/31/2006 :  8:10:12 PM  Show Profile  Visit Davo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
hi Firefox
i would be very interested to hear how Pro-tools compares with Sonar

Cheers
Davo

aint life sweet!!!!

http://www.myspace.com/frogs4snakes
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firefox
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Posted - 09/03/2006 :  11:13:13 AM  Show Profile  Visit firefox's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I'll say the learning curve is o so hard the routing is so diverse. the sound quality is , well how can i say, it's more defined, I hear things in pro tools in songs that i don't hear in sonar. It came with a Expandit synth that looks cool as hell and has a lot of sounds now only if i cound figure out how to get it to work. I bought pro tools powered 7 ans some instructional dvds as well to help me.

Hey Scott they had a bunch of your books at the store(guitar Center new in charleston) and there were a lot of sonar dudes in there and I told them about digifreq and to come on in and join.
I still like sonar and will still use that untl I can figure out pro tools -WEW!!!-it's way over my head at this point.
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garrigus
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Posted - 09/04/2006 :  12:22:59 PM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hey Firefox,

Very cool! Thanks for spreading the word about DigiFreq. Glad to hear my publisher is making my books available to the major retailers.

Good to hear you're not dumping Sonar. I'm surprised that you're getting a more defined sound from Pro Tools. You would think that would be hardware-based, but maybe not.

Keep us informed about your progress in learning PT...

Scott

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Scott R. Garrigus - http://www.garrigus.com
* Cakewalk SONAR Video Tutorials: https://www.youtube.com/user/ScottGarrigus?sub_confirmation=1
* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks
* Publisher of the DigiFreq music recording newsletter: http://www.digifreq.com/
* Publisher of the NewTechReview consumer tech newsletter: http://www.newtechreview.com/
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firefox
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Posted - 09/04/2006 :  8:51:56 PM  Show Profile  Visit firefox's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Scott, it could be those new m-audio converters. It's a real clean defined sound.
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Rezn8
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Posted - 09/06/2006 :  11:17:26 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by firefox

Scott, it could be those new m-audio converters. It's a real clean defined sound.



I've heard and read that the converters in the m-audio firewire series gear are the same converters that are in the delta series interfaces. I have to say that I don't notice a difference in "sound" from my delta 1010LT and my new 1814, but that's just me; I don't have golden ears.

I have, however, definitely heard a difference between the sound of sonar's engine and the pro tools engine. There's more clarity, definition, and overall resolution from pro tools IMO. To me the resolution in pro tools sounds stunning. But, if you bump the sample rate in sonar up to 96kHz you get that same quality as pro tools. Just my opinion based on what I hear at my little studio and what I hear when I'm in other studio's that use pro tools.
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joey32
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Posted - 09/11/2006 :  04:28:20 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by firefox

Scott, it could be those new m-audio converters. It's a real clean defined sound.



I just bought an Ozone & I'm really impressed with how punchy it sounds. Works great with Sonar & the ASIO driver. I've become a real fan of m-audio.
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firefox
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Posted - 10/05/2006 :  09:04:24 AM  Show Profile  Visit firefox's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Ran I sound test with the 410 with Sonar and Pro Tools to see if it was the interface.
It wasn't and Pro Tools sounds, well, more true and defined with sonar sounding more grainy and colored (compared to Pro Tools that is).
It's like comparing a low bitrate mp3 to a high bitrate mp3 of the same song. Crazy stuff.
I wonder how sonar 6, 64 bit compares. I can just imagime how a Pro Tools HD system sounds.
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