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otto
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 Posted - 08/16/2009 : 9:33:08 PM
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| Whoa! Scott, I can't believe you pushed your grandmother down a flight of stairs. So that's how you've suddenly gotten flush with cash. Killer computer, Rolls Royce music production system. Crime does pay it seems. Poor grandma. |
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Beagle
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Posted - 08/17/2009 : 10:10:04 AM
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Hey, Scott - I was able to help provide some feedback on a VS700 for a reviewer for Tape Op. check out the current Tape Op and look for the review on the VS700 written by Alan Tubbs. Some of us from the local DFW area went over to his place to check it out and in his article he "pseudo quoted" me (I was the "visiting engineer.").
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otto
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Posted - 08/17/2009 : 10:34:43 AM
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Man, now I find out how lame these articles are in these magazines are. Visiting engineer? I so happen to periodically read that Tape Op one.
I must say, it would have made a lot more sense for me to have waited and not bought a lot of stuff earlier on and saved up tons of money for this ultra-cool Roland/Cakewalk setup that wasn't even hinted at on the horizon. My grappy crystal ball!!!
It really is kind of a holy grail combination and exactly the thing I'd longed for back in the late 90's. It's certainly an affordable package for a home music hobbyist. I was looking at Roland hardware recorders a while ago that were close to the same price. I paid $2K for a Yamaha HD recorder. Of course, it's nice not having to have a computer involved.
Piece-meal, I've managed to set up something similar, but not with the kind of cool integration the package offers. Various control surfaces, hardware synths, software, I/O. Kind of a pain to keep all set up right though.
The Roland hardware seems very high quality too, the hardware part, and Sonar 8 PE is a winner. So the software side is great too. Wish I had the thing myself. Gear envie moments dude!!!
Well, I miss my grandma too. She's been gone since January 1979. Life sucks in how we have to lose people. |
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firefox
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Beagle
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Posted - 08/17/2009 : 1:18:58 PM
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| otto - huh? I dont understand your response re: "visiting engineer" |
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Beagle
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Posted - 08/17/2009 : 1:52:21 PM
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roland fantom built in-yeah baby!
yes, but I'm not sure I'd want that as a "standard" - I think I'd rather have that fantom v-synth as an "option" instead of making me pay for it regardless of whether I needed it or not. what if I already have a fantom? Id be paying for it twice if I got the full VS700. |
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otto
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Posted - 08/17/2009 : 3:04:06 PM
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Well Beagle, let's see if I can explain this. Ahhhhhh, in an article in Tape Op, when I read that somebody is a "visiting engineer", I'm going to presume, apparently erroneously, that they are talking about a sound engineer, and if somebody is quoted in a publication of repute, I'm going to assume that the sound engineer is a professional sound engineer, which means advanced schooling, a degree, or professional experience with an established reputation of knowledge and quality. I'm not going to be thinking electronics engineer who happens to have a home recording setup since 2005. I know, I know, you're amazing. All I have to do is watch American Idol in the early rounds. Tick tick tick, how long, tick tick tick; here we go!!!
Here's an example: the Roland Fantom isn't a V-Synth. The V-Synth is a separate product line. A man's got to know his limitation ... |
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Beagle
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Posted - 08/17/2009 : 3:12:03 PM
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ah - ok - well that wasn't really the fault of Tape Op - that was really dependent on the writer of the article since Tape Op didn't require him to provide credentials.
also - I'm not sure I agree with you that a professional sound engineer has to be formally schooled. sound engineers can be considered sound engineers from experience. there are a LOT of those who have been in the business for many years and still produce a lot of music in today's industry.
and lastly, I agree that I am not a professional sound engineer since it is not my primary source of income - but I do have a lot of experience with running sound professionally - so does that disqualify me? I'm not taking offense - I'm just asking.
Oh - and you're right - I botched the name of the synth. I originally put v-synth in the message and went back to change it to fantom - but apparently I didn't remove "v-synth" from the thread. so I guess I get an "F" in thread editing and thus have lost all credibility with you. 
again - I'm not taking offense at this - I know I'm not a professional sound engineer in the sense of the word that you would be expecting. no worries! |
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Edited by - Beagle on 08/17/2009 3:17:32 PM |
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otto
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Posted - 08/17/2009 : 3:18:35 PM
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| First off, re-read my post you responded to. It already covered the experience part. Wow, Tape Op really is a rag I guess. No standards. Man, the stuff we hobbyist read and take for gospel. Yeah, I know, people are always professionals in their esteem. I guess today, everybody can be a hero too. Words no longer have meaning. Unless you've been working with Quincy Jones since 2005, I'd doubt you've got the level of professional experience I'd want to see in people quoted as "visiting engineer" in music gear articles. I really do expect more. I'm just going on what you write on your own website. I hate to break this to you, but I'm not reading the words and experience of somebody that ought to be quoted in magazine articles as a "visiting engineer". I guess everybody has their own standards. I'm just talking about mine. |
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Beagle
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Posted - 08/17/2009 : 3:25:15 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by otto
First off, re-read my post you responded to. It already covered the experience part. Wow, Tape Op really is a rag I guess. No standards. Man, the stuff we hobbyist read and take for gospel. Yeah, I know, people are always professionals in their esteem. I guess today, everybody can be a hero too. Words no longer have meaning. Unless you've been working with Quincy Jones since 2005, I'd doubt you've got the level of professional experience I'd want to see in people quoted as "visiting engineer" in music gear articles. I really do expect more. I'm just going on what you write on your own website. I hate to break this to you, but I'm not reading the words and experience of somebody that ought to be quoted in magazine articles as a "visiting engineer". I guess everybody has their own standards. I'm just talking about mine.
again - I understand that I am not what you would expect as professional sound engineer. I said that in my respose. I understand what you're saying and don't really disagree with it. |
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firefox
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Posted - 08/17/2009 : 6:16:40 PM
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| Yep,Scott congrats on your rig it should be awesome with your new rack I7. Otto, a good example of what you say is like, everyone thst comes in my studio says the behringer truth monitors sound the best or truest(no pun intended) I've got the events sp8 and the dynaudios which are suppose to be in a class all by themselves. The behringer spaekers are awesome! they're behringers and you're suppose to think they're crap just because of the name. Yeah you can't believe any kind of opinions on the net from so called self ordained pros of anythng. |
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firefox
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Posted - 08/17/2009 : 6:19:04 PM
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| This is suppose to be Scotts "New rig" thread. I didn't mean to start the speaker debate again. |
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otto
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Posted - 08/17/2009 : 6:42:13 PM
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I was always a fan of some of the Behringer stuff. Because the price was low, it just had to be lousy stuff, even if every evidence was that it wasn't. Some of their stuff really is terrific. Don't know anything about the speakers, never checked them out.
Scott's new setup though deserves some nice monitor speakers. When I finally get around to buying this Roland/Cakewalk system, you can figure I'm just going to have to do that eventually, I'll be happy as can be with my Mackie's hooked up to it.
All that cool new gear of Scott's isn't going to mean much if it doesn't have some nice speakers.
You point firefox being that the real pro's get it wrong too. Yeah, there's always going to be differences of opinion, even amongst the pro's. That's a separate point to what I was talking about though.
Anyhow, Beagle's ok. Poor dude just got caught in my wrath about music gear article writers.
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garrigus
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Posted - 08/18/2009 : 10:41:06 AM
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Hey Beagle -- Very cool. I just went and read the article because I hadn't gotten to it yet. I do read TapeOp though. Good mag. Although, I think the author should have at least put your name in there and given you credit for the contribution.
Hey Firefox -- Yeah! I'm actually excited about having the Fantom, although I haven't had a chance to play with it yet. This is actually a cool thing for me because I do pretty much everything in the box. BUT even though the Fantom is hardware, it's actually integrated as a software plug-in. So it works like a VSTi but since its hardware it doesn't put any strain on the CPU. It provides 16 parts and even has a GM2 soundset (on top of the regular sounds) so it might be nice as a scratchpad synth to sketch out compositions. But I'm hoping the sounds will be good enough to use in a final production as well.
Hey again Beagle -- I can definitely see your point as wanting the Fantom as an option. Although, I wonder how much it would really shave off of the cost. I would bet that the cost of the VS-700R (the audio interface part of the package) is mostly in the other components because it sports some very nice preamps along with DSP processing, etc. But I could be wrong about the price and maybe a big portion of it comes from the Fantom.
Hey Otto -- I've currently got a pair of KRK V4 monitors along with a subwoofer so I'm in pretty good shape. Some people don't like the KRK stuff, but I do. Although, I may be getting some new monitors later this year. I might upgrade to the latest KRK's, but not sure yet. I gotta pace myself and save up for a bit.
Scott
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