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firefox
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Posted - 11/04/2008 :  12:02:55 PM  Show Profile  Visit firefox's Homepage  Reply with Quote  [Reply to Topic]  | [Reply w/ Quote]
I got dual boot windows xp and windows 64 on a 60 gig drive with 2 30 gig partitions(I guess?).
I want to get rid of the 64 bit windows and the dual boot and just use windows xp and free up 30 gigs .
Can I do this without reformatting the drive. I didn't set it up and know nothing about a dual boot config and how it's set up. My computer guy said I couldn't without reformatting and I just wanted a second opinion and he wants 175 bucks to do it.


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gimmexlz
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Posted - 11/04/2008 :  2:19:57 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You'll have to re-format, if you want to use the same drive. There are some great deals out right now on SATA and IDE drives @ major retailers. Personally, I would buy a new system drive and install all your software on it , leaving the dual-boot drive for a hard backup, there's nothing like a safety net, especially in a commercial facility. $175 sounds a little high, my dad runs a computer repair business, and this usually runs in the $125-$150 range, depending on the system's age and availability of compatible parts. If you've got your xp disc, do it yourself and save the $$$$. Good Luck.
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garrigus
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Posted - 11/04/2008 :  7:53:33 PM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Firefox,

If you don't mind keep both partitions, you can get rid of the dual boot by editing the BOOT.INI file in the C:\ directory (or by using msconfig) and then erasing the partition on which win64 resides. That will free up the space, but keep the partition.

If you don't want the partitions, then you'll need to reformat the entire drive.

Although, you might be able to use partition software, but I'm not sure about that. Never tried it. This is the software I'm talking about, but I haven't used either one...

* Partition Magic

* Partition Commander

Scott

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Jim Sturm
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Posted - 11/05/2008 :  07:30:18 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I agree with Scott, and will add this, if you want to remove the extra partition:

I've used Partition Magic and it generally works fine. I would caution you to cover your butt before you use it, though. I'd recommend that after you have verified that you have removed the dual boot and the system is working, make an image of the working partition. Use the partioning utility to reconfigure the drive the way you want it.

If something goes wrong, you can wipe the drive clean, configure it the way you want, and restore the saved image to the drive.

Just a suggestion. I like to always leave myself a way out.

-Jim


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firefox
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Posted - 11/05/2008 :  07:45:45 AM  Show Profile  Visit firefox's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks everybody!
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Posted - 11/05/2008 :  8:45:02 PM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yeah, you should always keep a back up image of your system. That way you can easily restore every back to exactly the way it was before anything that may happen. I use Acronis, which works great...

* Acronis True Image Backup and Recovery Software

Scott

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firefox
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Posted - 11/11/2008 :  3:15:53 PM  Show Profile  Visit firefox's Homepage  Reply with Quote
If I buy a new system drive can I install my same xp on it and activate it?
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Jim Sturm
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Posted - 11/12/2008 :  08:35:52 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If I understand you right, the answer is yes.

Legally, you'll need to deactivate or 'destroy' the original activation first. Then typically, when you activate the new installation, you'll need to do it over the phone because Microsoft wants to know why you are activating two copies of the same license. Just tell them you are replacing your system drive, and they'll give you the keys.

It's not legal to run two installations of a single license. It's not 'like a book' licensing.

If you want to just use the original drive as a second drive and get around having to do all the stuff we've talked about in previous posts, just delete some critical system files on the (now) second drive like boot.ini, ntldr, etc. (or even the entire WINDOWS folder or flat out everything in that partition) and you will have effectively and legally disabled the OS on that drive. You'll also recover most of the filespace.

It's not technically legal to install the new OS before destroying the original one, but one might suggest that it is prudent to make sure the new installation works properly before wiping out the old one. Just don't forget to do it.

-Jim


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firefox
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Posted - 11/12/2008 :  08:48:09 AM  Show Profile  Visit firefox's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks Jim.
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Posted - 11/15/2008 :  10:38:49 AM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hey Jim,

Would it matter if it's an OEM copy or not? How do they link OEM copies to specific PCs?

Scott

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Jim Sturm
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Posted - 11/15/2008 :  12:41:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes. The licensing issue holds for OEM copies, to. I'm not an expert on this, but I think this is how it works, in general.

An OEM copy is cheaper, because it's designed to be used by someone that builds lots of computers and will sell lots of licenses. It only includes the basic media and a single license. The builder can use the disk for individual installs, or build an image, whatever.

When a new install is performed on a hardware platform, the OS is marked as unactivated. A code is generated, based on the OS serial number and lots of hardware components, memory config, processor system drive ID, etc. This is the code (hash) you supply to MS when you activate an installation. Sometimes, if you change enough stuff in a system, Windows will think it's been installed on another system and ask to be activated again.

It's a challenge/response system and the OS validates the response against it's challenge. Cracks are usually just applications that ca generate a proper response for a particular application's challenge. Some cracks just bypass the activetion process.

Ever notice the sticker on a purchased PC that shows the S/N of that copy of Windows? That's the license the OEM buys for that PC. You've probably seen licenses or license packs available on the web. If you buy them, you get a sticker with a serial number on it. That's all. Use the OEM disk to do the install, but use the S/N off the sticker when doing the install. A code (hash) will be generated based on the HW config and that serial number.

When activating Windows, M$ can tell from the hash generated if the SN is being reused (previously registered) and hence illegal. They will ask why and generally just give a new authorization code if your answers seem legitimate as to why you are reinstalling the OS. If they see that the same S/N has been activated on a dozen different platforms over the past month, they may raise an eyebrow.

That's how I think it works, in general, anyway. There are lots of different licensing agreements, including annual unlimited licensing agreements for corporations, etc.

So, buying an OEM copy doesn't legally give one the right to install it on all their PCs unless they buy a license. I don't support the concept, but if one waits a few months and lies to M$ about why the OS is being reinstalled (HD failure, system upgrade, my dog ate my motherboard, etc.) they will probably/usually reauthorize the install. It's not legal, though.

-Jim


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