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drmiller
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Posted - 04/28/2008 :  08:53:27 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  [Reply to Topic]  | [Reply w/ Quote]
I was swapping parts around this weekend trying to get my two best computers up and going in the studio and put my old Gina 16 in my old DAW to use as a standalone/backup with Amplitube. What I noticed was latency that I never noticed when using my other Gina 24/96 which used to be in this computer. Is the Gina 16 too old for low latency with these plugins and if so what interface would you recommend (resonable cost). I have considered a USB type but not sure if I would solve the latency problem with one of these. I was also looking at the Delta 410 PCI or the 1010 PCI. I can't find any Echo products in the catalogs anymore, what happened to them? They made some of the best audio cards around.


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firefox
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Posted - 04/29/2008 :  6:41:38 PM  Show Profile  Visit firefox's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The choice is yours. the main thing is how many ins and outs you need. The delta series firewire interfaces are great. As are the motu stuff
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drmiller
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Posted - 04/30/2008 :  08:40:34 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
For latency issues I always considered the PCI devices to be best is that not necessarily true? Do the USB or Firewire interfaces work with low enough latency to effectively work with plugin's like Amplitube?
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reality
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Posted - 04/30/2008 :  09:08:02 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Check out the Motu Traveler. I have just bought one and am blown away by its capabilities in comparison to the Emu 1820m I was using before.

Latency is very low or, if you need near zero, you can use the Motu's direct monitoring. I realise that you don't go through the plugin here but I would put a Pod in the direct monitor circuit for a "near enough" sound and record clean to the PC. After that you can Amplitube to your heart's content.

The Motu has four independent mixes that you can route as you wish and it goes up to 192 if you need it. Check it out on the web.

Regards

Richard
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dirtysteve
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Posted - 04/30/2008 :  2:49:57 PM  Show Profile  Visit dirtysteve's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Latency is sort of a thing of the past with modern interfaces. I'd recommend focusing on getting an interface with the best converters you can afford (like the motu mentioned before) or RME stuff. I love my 1814FW but it's been completely upgraded by the guys at black lion - they have a mod for the converters (in/out), the analog path, and the power supply. But if I had to buy a new interface I go for something from RME.

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firefox
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Posted - 05/01/2008 :  09:35:44 AM  Show Profile  Visit firefox's Homepage  Reply with Quote
With my motu interface i can do direct monitoring with the cuemix mixer so latency isn't an issue for me with sonar.
All motu firewire interfaces have it. The new 828mk3 has built in dsp also.

Edited by - firefox on 05/10/2008 09:25:13 AM
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dirtysteve
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Posted - 05/09/2008 :  6:38:14 PM  Show Profile  Visit dirtysteve's Homepage  Reply with Quote
drmiller, just in case you never found anything on Echo stuff that's available right now - http://www.echoaudio.com/

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otto
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Posted - 05/09/2008 :  9:36:15 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"The new 828mk2 has built in dsp also";

It's actually the 828MK3 that is the new model and which has the DSP:

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/828mk3/

Folks, know thy gear!

Edited by - otto on 05/10/2008 5:44:50 PM
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garrigus
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Posted - 05/11/2008 :  12:05:07 PM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I've got the Cakewalk Sonar Power Studio 660 (same hardware as Edirol FA-66), which connects via FireWire and it works great. I use that on my laptop most of the time. And I've got an Echo Mona plus a Terratec card in the desktop DAW. I use the Terratec most of the time now.

There are a lot of choices so you basically have to go with what features you need.

Scott

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* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks
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otto
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Posted - 05/11/2008 :  4:56:36 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you get the M-Audio qualifying product, you have the M-Audio Pro-Tools option, which is nice. The MOTU is the nicest one for features and build quality, but at a huge price. It's possible to get the M-Audio Project I/O for $999, and that is one nice control surface and audio/midi interface in a great unified package.
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drmiller
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Posted - 05/12/2008 :  08:19:48 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for all the replys. I want to stay under $300 if possible and also be able to use WDM drivers. ASIO may be great for some but I don't like it's limitations. I'd love to be able to use my Stealth plug for USB input into my DAW but I can't without having to use it's output also which in no way compares to my Gina cards outputs. I like the Echo stuff because they have always supported WDM drivers and done it well. I'm just not sure why they have disappeared from the general market place like they have.
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garrigus
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Posted - 05/12/2008 :  10:15:32 AM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Not sure, but from their web site it looks like they're still in business and still providing driver updates. They just released a new one this month.

Scott

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Scott R. Garrigus - http://www.garrigus.com
* Cakewalk SONAR Video Tutorials: https://www.youtube.com/user/ScottGarrigus?sub_confirmation=1
* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks
* Publisher of the DigiFreq music recording newsletter: http://www.digifreq.com/
* Publisher of the NewTechReview consumer tech newsletter: http://www.newtechreview.com/
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otto
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Posted - 05/12/2008 :  10:31:12 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
New drivers! Just downloaded whatever they have up there. I've got an Indigo for my laptop and love that thing. Wish I'd bought the I/O model now.
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Masquerado
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Posted - 05/15/2008 :  07:09:16 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Scott,

I finally upgraded my Gateway laptop (Vista/2GB RAM) to SONAR Home 6 XL. I tried to record some of my songs that are on cassette to digital format. The source at the deck is clean, but in SONAR I experience dropouts randomly and I also get a ticking sound randomly when I get the whole song recorded successfully. It reminds me of a distant whirlybird, i.e. tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick, etc. It usually doesn't corrupt the whole recording, but it is very annoying. I have tried adjusting the latency, but that seems to make it worse. Do you have any idea what could be causing this and how I can remedy it? Is it perhaps the sound card clipping or something like that? Can the ticks be removed digitally in SONAR via some sort of filter? Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
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Originally posted by garrigus

I've got the Cakewalk Sonar Power Studio 660 (same hardware as Edirol FA-66), which connects via FireWire and it works great. I use that on my laptop most of the time. And I've got an Echo Mona plus a Terratec card in the desktop DAW. I use the Terratec most of the time now.

There are a lot of choices so you basically have to go with what features you need.

Scott



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Edited by - Masquerado on 05/15/2008 07:12:13 AM
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garrigus
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Posted - 05/15/2008 :  10:31:12 AM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi Masquerado,

It sounds like a problem with the soundcard drivers. If you are using WDM drivers, try switching to ASIO or vice versa. Using different drivers might fix the problem.

Scott

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Scott R. Garrigus - http://www.garrigus.com
* Cakewalk SONAR Video Tutorials: https://www.youtube.com/user/ScottGarrigus?sub_confirmation=1
* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks
* Publisher of the DigiFreq music recording newsletter: http://www.digifreq.com/
* Publisher of the NewTechReview consumer tech newsletter: http://www.newtechreview.com/
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dirtysteve
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Posted - 05/15/2008 :  10:55:06 AM  Show Profile  Visit dirtysteve's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Also check to be sure you're clock settings are set to use the internal clock and not an external clock.

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