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andyriggle
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Posted - 02/01/2008 :  10:17:01 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  [Reply to Topic]  | [Reply w/ Quote]
Think I'm going to order this today. Seems to have good acousitc guitar patches. Any other recommendations?

http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/newsinfo.asp?NewsID=3268

Andy


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garrigus
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Posted - 02/01/2008 :  11:12:25 AM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hey Andy,

Gypsy is awesome. I'm currently working on a review of it for DigiFreq. Just keep in mind that these PLAY libraries don't use the Native Instruments engine. They use their own 64-bit engine and they are protected by the iLok dongle. You will need to purchase the iLok dongle separately because it is not included in the package.

But as far as the product itself, the sound quality is excellent and it's very playable out of the box. Plus, you get a lot of nice articulations.

Scott

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andyriggle
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Posted - 02/01/2008 :  1:29:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just found out about the $40 iLOK. Was pretty upset, but glad the tech at Sweetwater told me when I ordered it. So no more Kompakt instrument? Wonder how it works and how I'll load patches. He said it was a VST, so I'm hoping I can copy/paste into the finale VST folder and have it show up there.

Andy
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otto
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Posted - 02/01/2008 :  2:01:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You could have taken advantage of the soundsonline.com sale they had just had on all of these Quantum Leap products, and you could buy the ILOK device along with the purchase for just $19.99. I'd never buy this kind of stuff from Sweetwater as they probably are charging top dollar. If I recall, it was something like $256 for Gypsy or Fab Four which are both going for around $355 right now. It was a great sale. Just weeks ago. When I want something, I put it on a "Wish List" and keep watching for the sales. The Quantum Leap line is often put on sale at considerable savings. They had a heck of a price on RA and Colossus combined. It was like $750 for both of them.

Edited by - otto on 02/02/2008 5:09:21 PM
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garrigus
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Posted - 02/02/2008 :  12:14:38 PM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Nope, no more Kompakt. EastWest is moving away from NI now and releasing their products with their own playback engine. It's very nice. The only thing is that the included convolution reverb takes up a lot of CPU power, but luckily that can be disabled if need be.

Yes, it runs as a VST and standalone. You should be able to point Finale to whatever folder that holds your VST plugs and it will pick it up there.

Loading patches is done inside the VST interface. You can choose to load entire instruments or scaled-down instruments with only the articulations you need, which is nice.

Scott

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lawapa
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Posted - 02/02/2008 :  8:58:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
All the most impressive big and fancy sets are Ilock protected now. This might bring down prices a tad as you can't just share these with all your friends. Not that anyone would do such a thing

The horror stories from the Ilock's beginning have kept me away from these, that and the cost. But the work/investment that goes into creating them is in the realm of really big bucks. And this is why the dongle is so prevalent now. It stops casual sharing dead in it's tracks. While I'd like the freedom to port samples to say other samplers I can understand why this is so.

If anyone finds this a hindrance to their creative process remember why the big boys do it. To keep their hard work from being shared freely on the internet without just compensation for all their hard work and expense and vow to never bend the rules "ever" for anyone. By suporting a dev you make possible more good sets to play with. This is a good thing.

Love to make that music,as well I love to tweak,Make my own sample sets
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andyriggle
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Posted - 02/03/2008 :  12:18:08 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I hope the loc things are easy to use. I hate wasting time I need for writing music...

I'm getting convolution reverb? cool . I've just been using the "short and sweet" Sonitus verb in Sonar. Everything else sounds obnoxious, even after messing with sliders and dials. I'm getting excited, hopefully I'll get it mon. or tues..

That "Ministry of Rock" looks good too. Even orchestra stuff needs an occasional screaming guitar note for effect. Maybe after my next gig I'll get that one.

Andy

Edited by - andyriggle on 02/03/2008 12:22:05 AM
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otto
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Posted - 02/03/2008 :  01:05:17 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Keep in mind that you only need one ILOK for all of your ILOK stuff. One device can hold something like 100 keys. That's what is great about it, that you can eliminate having all of these separate dongles, which was one aspect of dongles that was a major drag. Now, I guess overpaying for this stuff is irrelevant, but hey, it's your money, not mine.

Edited by - otto on 02/03/2008 01:05:48 AM
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garrigus
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Posted - 02/03/2008 :  7:18:37 PM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I think iLok got a bad name because it was kinda buggy in the beginning, but it works fine now. You just have to be sure you have the latest drivers installed. I haven't had any problems with it... only one time and that was because I didn't have the latest drivers.

Ministry of Rock is a nice library too. I'll be reviewing that one as soon as I'm done with Gypsy. EastWest is coming out with some really nice products lately and with everything set up correctly, their PLAY engine works very well.

Scott

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andyriggle
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Posted - 02/03/2008 :  11:17:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks again!

And I am a little bummed I missed the EW sale, Otto. But I still like getting my stuff at Sweetwater. Sometimes I don't mind paying for service, especially when some of this audio-geek stuff gets so technical, and I just want to get back to writing. Plus I can't get through to alot of these places that make the software.
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otto
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Posted - 02/04/2008 :  1:47:38 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well, that is what Sweetwater says is their market, better service rather than the lowest prices. If they really are of help, well, that would be quite different than other companies generally. I'm so used to going it alone myself, but it certainly isn't always easy on that path. I spend a lot more time with technical stuff than making music.
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andyriggle
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Posted - 02/07/2008 :  09:14:58 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey Scott, you might want to mention that Gypsy and anything that uses "play" is not supported in Finale. Doesn't even show up in there after pasting the VST in the right Finale folder.

Plus, the iLok was a nightmare. I don't have internet on my creation station, so had to try to register offline which is near impossible. Had to install Gypsy on the laptop to register, and lost my connection as the site was downloading my licence. Was on the phone with tech support forever.

And there's no physical manual for Gypsy, which drives me nuts.

The sounds are really nice, until you take away the reverb.

I'm hoping Sweetwater will take it back, since the sales guy told me it would work.

Any recommendations on good acoustic guitar samples that use NI's player?

Andy
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garrigus
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Posted - 02/07/2008 :  09:51:24 AM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi Andy,

I'm sorry to hear you had so much trouble with Gypsy. Not sure why though... it's working great for me.

As for Finale, no I haven't tested that, but I don't see why it shouldn't work in there. Did you try contacting EastWest... the company that makes Gypsy?

As for the iLok installation, it's actually pretty easy if you follow the directions. You did not need to install Gypsy on your Internet machine... just the authorization part of the product. There's an option for this in the install dialog box.

In any case, I don't work for the company... all I know is that Gypsy is working fine for me on my system. Although, I have not tested it with Finale... I'll be sure to do that before I write up my review.

I definitely wouldn't recommend a product if it didn't work for me.

As for other libraries, there is one other that I've heard (but keep in mind that I haven't actually tried this one so it's not a recommendation, just a passing along of info). I believe it does use the NI player. It's called Chris Hein Guitars and you can find more info at:
http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/newsinfo.asp?NewsID=3099

Best regards,
Scott

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Scott R. Garrigus - http://www.garrigus.com
* Cakewalk SONAR Video Tutorials: https://www.youtube.com/user/ScottGarrigus?sub_confirmation=1
* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks
* Publisher of the DigiFreq music recording newsletter: http://www.digifreq.com/
* Publisher of the NewTechReview consumer tech newsletter: http://www.newtechreview.com/
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otto
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Posted - 02/07/2008 :  6:29:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey Andy, if you want to sell the Gypsy cheap, assuming Sweetwater won't take it back, I might be game to buy it off of you if the price is right.
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andyriggle
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Posted - 02/08/2008 :  08:36:05 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Actually, Gypsy works fine for me and sounds beautiful as a stand alone and in Sonar. I did only install the registration files on my laptop. I'm just excitable.

But Finale really doesn't support the player. You can't even get it to show up. It only recognizes the NI player. That's what I thought you should mention.

I saw something called Kore in the Sweetwater catalog that might let me use it like a synth. Do you guys know anything about Kore?

Andy
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garrigus
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Posted - 02/08/2008 :  09:22:29 AM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi Andy,

I hear ya... no worries.

Anyway, I did some extra research and you're right... it looks like the problem is with Finale. It doesn't provide full VST support. I thought it did, so I naturally assumed Gypsy would work with it. It's too bad Finale doesn't fully support VSTs... it should.

So does this mean you'll be keeping Gypsy or are you still sending it back?

I haven't tried Kore, but I don't think it will do what you're asking... it's more of a hardware/software system that provides control of the various Native Instruments products and allows you to create and organize your own sounds and combinations of sounds from the different NI products.

I think maybe Otto has Kore, but I'm not sure. Maybe he can chime in about it... Otto?

Scott

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* Cakewalk SONAR Video Tutorials: https://www.youtube.com/user/ScottGarrigus?sub_confirmation=1
* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks
* Publisher of the DigiFreq music recording newsletter: http://www.digifreq.com/
* Publisher of the NewTechReview consumer tech newsletter: http://www.newtechreview.com/
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