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Daniel Eichner
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 Posted - 07/22/2006 : 11:03:33 AM
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Hey Guys: Its old Dann again. I finally got my Ozone 3 software
working and I'm trying to get a solid bass sound for my Texas Swing
album. I'm not using presets, (you would be proud of me GK). I've been compressing, pushing ,bending and remixing but have not found the bass sound I want yet. I record the bass straight into my D-1600
Korg and EQ the bass before I mix. I need your Expert advice again.
Thanks guys.........Dann
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garrigus
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Rezn8
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Posted - 07/22/2006 : 3:07:09 PM
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| This may not be any help but the only bass sounds I've ever been happy with came from having a proper DI box between my bass and the DAW or console. Sansamp's bass driver DI is a good one, the electro harmonix 12ay7 pre is a gem, and the GT passive DI is a nice little box. You can also try the voiced line-out on any amps you have around (including guitar amps) or blend a mic'd amp with the DI signal. Fixing it in the mix or in the box is not so easy. You might (maybe) have a little success with sonar's amp sim or tape saturation plug. With the tape saturation plug try boosting the fader for record level, that'll add some very punchy mids. |
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Davo
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Posted - 07/26/2006 : 8:58:28 PM
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Hi Dann
i have also struggled to capture quality bass tracks and while i am no expert, a little cheat that i sometimes do is to clone the track and process each track seperatley(different EQ, compression etc.) and then blend the 2 to taste.
sometimes i will try to get the presence right on 1 of the tracks and cut most everything else and on the other track try and get the bottom end right and cut the top end out.
hope this helps
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Daniel Eichner
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Posted - 07/28/2006 : 12:17:53 PM
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Thanks Guys: I'm trying a SansAmp that I borrowed from my son and I am getting closer to what I want. He also let me take a Mesa Boggie Studio pre amp, which I will try next. I have a couple of new CDs on the Texas 4/4 shuffle style and the bass drives me absolutely crazy.
I play them over and over again. I want MINE to sound like these. I have certainly appreciated all the help from Pro's like you guys and have learned lots about what I love to do, Make music...Thanks ..Dann |
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lawapa
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Posted - 07/28/2006 : 3:43:54 PM
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| I wonder if the sound your looking for is an overdriven amp sound? There seems to be something about that floating voice coil that can't quite keep up because it's driven a tad to hard. And for software to emulate that? I just don't see that as possible. Close but no cigar? |
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Rezn8
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Posted - 07/30/2006 : 5:40:43 PM
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Dan, if you've already got the Sansamp and it's not quite the tone you're looking for, but almost - try putting a piece of foam under the strings at the bridge. Any kind of soft foam will do. Then retune the instrument and see how it sounds. You'll hear a significant difference in tone and you'll notice the strings you're not playing are automatically muted and a sort of "dampening" of the notes you're playing. You get more of a focused sound IMO. Keep the Sansamp employed though.
This is a technique Carol Kaye talks about and I use it sometimes when going for a vintage bass sound. |
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Davo
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Daniel Eichner
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Posted - 07/31/2006 : 12:24:02 PM
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Thanks Rezn8: My old pre-war Fender P bass had sponge rubber under the chrome pickup cover and had a great solid sound. I think I'll drag the old dust covered relic out of retirement after I try my new Fender Jazz bass with a bit of sponge like you say. Thanks again
Dann |
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koolbass
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USA
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Posted - 08/12/2006 : 03:05:35 AM
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Dann,
If you've got a little extra room on your credit card, check out an Avalon U5 DI. They're an incredible sounding little box, but a touch pricey. I've also got a couple Sans Amps, and they do sound good. If fact, I use the rack mounted Sans Amp for much of my live work, but it doesn't sound anything like the Avalon U5. |
Cheers,
Lance "koolbass" Martin
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Zuushi
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Posted - 10/07/2006 : 07:21:12 AM
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Hey Dann!
All which is written here is excelent advice for you to get your bass right.
One thing that I learned from a Jamaican producer I was working with is to filter your bass just after compressing it a bit.
What we did is plugged the guitar into a good valve pre-amp's inst. input, patched it throuh a L2-A2 compressor ("rare-ware") and into protools, in protools we used the moogerfooger filter to cut out the high freqs with high resonance. It needs a lot of close tweeking to get the right "fat bass" sound.
You should combine my advice with Davo's advice which suggested to clone/copy/malt the track, you should do this in PT and apply my technique on one of the tracks and place a high pass on the other with some presence boosting using an EQ.
Regarding the hardware/outboard gear we used - just use decent equipment. Warmth and harmonic destortion is what we are looking for in these "rare-wares"....
Good luck! |
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drmiller
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Posted - 10/09/2006 : 11:19:41 PM
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| I have had good luck using my Johnson J-Station for laying down Bass tracks. There are a couple of good bass amp presets on it plus as Scott suggested getting the EQ right is a must plus some compression to tighten it up and keep the level consistent. |
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