Date: 4/3/2006 | Time: 8:23:40 AM | Author: Donny  
Message:

Hi all,

I read a post regarding not able to create bun files when larger than 2 gb. But that was for Sonar 2.

That seems to be my problem, only I'm using Sonar 4 and Windows XP Home. Is this still a problem?

Thanks.

Date: 4/3/2006 | Time: 9:52:48 AM | Author: firefox  
Message:

All I can say is try it and see. I've never had any that big yet.

Date: 4/3/2006 | Time: 10:12:28 AM | Author: Scott R. Garrigus  
Message:

Hi Donny,

You'll have to try it and see if it works. Please let us know what you find...

Although, I thought the file limitation was because of the Windows FAT32 file system. I think that limit is 4 GB though and you can get around that by switching to the NTFS file system.

Scott

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Date: 4/3/2006 | Time: 10:27:36 AM | Author: Donny,  
Message:

I didn't make myself clear in my original message. I had tried it and it complained. I have a 2.3 gb project. My file system is NTSF and I have 30 gb free space on my backup disk.

I suppose I'll resort to just copying my Audio sub-directory onto my backup disk along with the CWP file.

Thanks.

Date: 4/3/2006 | Time: 11:02:13 AM | Author: Jim Sturm  
Message:

I do know individual .wav files are limited to 2 Gb as well, regardless of the file system used. They have a 32 bit header.

I'm not sure why this would necessarily be a problem with a bundle though. Then again, I'm not sure of the structure of .cwb files. It might be related.

-Jim

Date: 4/3/2006 | Time: 11:27:18 AM | Author: Scott R. Garrigus  
Message:

Hi Donny,

Ah ha! I think Jim may be on to something here. (Thanks, Jim! :-) As far as I know, when you save a bundle file it combines all the audio data into one file along with the project data and simply includes pointers so that it can extract the information later.

What you should do then is to use the Per-Project Folders feature instead. This will give you a Project (cwp) file along with you individual audio files saved in their own dedicated audio folder. This will keep each project separate and it also makes back up easier. I personally don't use bundle files any more and tell people to use the per-project option instead.

Try that and let us know if it works for you...

Scott

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Date: 4/4/2006 | Time: 11:15:20 AM | Author: Donny  
Message:

Thanks Scott. I already use the per-project folders feature. I just need a way to back this 2.3 gig project up occassionally. The CWB way is clean and there's just one file.

But since that's not possible, I'll just backup the Audio sub-directory as well as the project file.

Thanks.

Date: 4/4/2006 | Time: 5:57:19 PM | Author: AdrianN  
Message:

just a thought, but it may be possible (depending on the content of the project), to reduce the file size to make use of 'Clip Linking' on repetitive sections, as well as using 'Loops'.

However, perhaps your project includes sections of Video. Oh Well... Maybe its a limitation of Sonar (the way the software code has been written).?????

If possible, try saving it to either another physical drive, or a mapped or network drive. See what results by doing this... it may provide some clues.

Now... as another definitive test to see if it is a PC Filesystem limitation or a Sonar Limitation, try this.
Create a really really large file on your PC simply by combining lots & lots of WAVe files into a single ZIP file. Keep adding files to it, to make the file size grow & grow until you have a file of significant size. If you can perform this task successfully, then your problem is not caused by the PC filesystem. Thus, the problem would seem to be a Sonar limitation.

Hope this helps.

AdrianN

Date: 4/6/2006 | Time: 12:03:57 PM | Author: stratcat33511  
Message:

There is a windows limitation of 2G, so any access db or a bundle cannot be larger than 2Gig

Date: 4/8/2006 | Time: 12:41:23 PM | Author: Scott R. Garrigus  
Message:

Hi Stratcat,

Are you sure about that? The reason I ask is that although I haven't tried it with Cakewalk bundle files, I do know that when I use Norton Ghost to image a drive under a FAT32 file system, it creates files up to 4GB in size.

Scott

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Date: 4/9/2006 | Time: 4:42:41 AM | Author: MJ  
Message:

Scott's right.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/c13621675.mspx

Table 13-6 FAT32 Size Limits

                  
Maximum file size = 4 GB minus 1 byte (232 bytes minus 1 byte)


Table 13-5 NTFS Size Limits

                 
Maximum file size = Theory: 16 exabytes minus 1 KB (264 bytes minus 1 KB)

Implementation: 16 terabytes minus 64 KB (244 bytes minus 64 KB)


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On XP Pro (NTFS), I work with video files in excess of 2 GB regularly.

MJ

Date: 4/10/2006 | Time: 7:37:09 AM | Author: Den Hollinden  
Message:

I've mentioned this here before, but the one time I had a problem saving a project as a bundle, I solved the problem by selecting all the tracks and applying trimming on all of them. After that, I could save as a bun file with no problem.
     Den

Date: 4/10/2006 | Time: 8:27:22 AM | Author: Scotty A  
Message:

If you would like a single file for management purposes, simply Zip the files in the project folder. You get a bit (not much) of lossless compression, you have one file, and you're able to unzip using a variety of programs. If there's a problem with the zip file, you're more likely to be able to solve it given the broad usage of that format than you will be if there's a problem with the Cakewalk bundle.

Date: 4/10/2006 | Time: 9:04:29 AM | Author: MJ  
Message:

I understand some folk's interest in Cakewalk bundle files for convenience reasons but to me it's just too risky. It's proprietary for Smurf's sake.

Use the 'Per Project Folder' method (as Scott has suggested), stay with the Windows paradigm for reliability and in my mind, MUCH more convenience.

MJ

Date: 4/10/2006 | Time: 9:59:20 AM | Author: Jim Sturm  
Message:

It doesn't provide for an absolute answer to the original question, but for what it's worth I ditto MJ's last post.

I copy the folder to DVD, originally. Then, after every session on a project, I update the DVD. It only takes a minute or two and it costs next to nothing. A DVD will hold a darned big project, too.

If 4.3 Gb isn't enough, there is always DL, for twice that capacity. A bit more costly, but if you're working on projects larger than 4.3 Gb, you can probably afford it!

There's my $0.02.

-Jim