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Date: 11/19/2005 | Time: 1:19:37 AM | Author: Sinisha  
Message: Reverb or delay ?
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Just wondering ..... What do you put first in the effect chain for vocal track: reverb or delay ? I now there is no general rule for this (at least I suppose), but I would just like to know how the rest of you is doing this. Thank you in advance !!


Sinisha
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Date: 11/19/2005 | Time: 7:20:52 AM | Author: Gary  
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Hi Sinisha:
Personally (for whatever that's worth), I would hesitate to use both delay and reverb on the same track. It tends to overkill for me, but subtle amounts may work though. Delay is a form of reverb already. This is not a hard rule though. Whatever sounds good works. It has been suggested in guitar pedal effects, reverb be placed after delay. Again, not a hard rule.
Gary
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Date: 11/19/2005 | Time: 7:35:04 AM | Author: Paul  
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Like Gary said . All reveb is , is delay . Unless you are looking for some abstract sound . Always use the reverb last in your chain . Personally I use reverb with delay a lot with chorus also . But I grew up in the Santana era . :)
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Date: 11/19/2005 | Time: 7:52:09 AM | Author: Ken  
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Yup.
Delay first. Then Verb if you want it.
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Date: 11/19/2005 | Time: 8:10:18 AM | Author: GGB  
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Gary,

I get the idea that you are a purist when it comes to mixing... what kind of stuff do you mix?

Just wondering as I tend to be a total purist when it comes to acoustic recordings, but the second I leave that setting I turn into 'pour on the reverb, delays, etc...'

just interested,

GGB
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Date: 11/19/2005 | Time: 2:37:09 PM | Author: lawapa  
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I'd nix both. I'd use clone ensamble or choir boy. Both of these are track plugins that are tuned for vocal. Get one or the other or both. You will find they give a more polished vocal effect than simple delay/verb. And if I use them I do delay/verb normally but for a nice long tail I will use verb first set wet 100% then delay set wet as well. The nature of this chain just gives a long wash that is useable in small amounts. By bouncing this chain to track you can split the audio and envelope it or reverse it, well you get the idea.
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Date: 11/19/2005 | Time: 3:45:38 PM | Author: Gary  
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Hi GGB:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=88693
The last cut I owe to Lawapa & Ratkins.
Gary
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Date: 11/19/2005 | Time: 4:10:38 PM | Author: Martin  
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Gary, I liked your music clips very much. Is there is a link that we could download that soundfont Lawapa and Ratkins made for you? It sounded very realistic. Is that you playing the slide guitar? That's some great sounding slide. What kind of slide do you use? Glass, metal, or ceramic? I've been looking at them as I don't know how to play slide, but I should learn. I liked the overdrive sound too. What did you use? Nice blues sound.
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Date: 11/19/2005 | Time: 5:47:24 PM | Author: firefox  
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use reverb and delay-automate the mix level with the delay.
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Date: 11/19/2005 | Time: 7:46:32 PM | Author: lawapa  
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Nice slide work Gary :)+) I do love slide guitar. I guess I'll to dig out my Slide tune and post it.
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Date: 11/19/2005 | Time: 7:53:28 PM | Author: Gary  
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Thanks Martin:
Just post a note around here and Lawapa or Ratkins is sure to see it. (maybe leave an address for them to send to) They own and developed the font.
I just 'run up' some MIDI files of Bass Guitar and Drums and send em through a Plug. Lay down alittle guitar with some sample tracks behind to keep me sounding good. I really stink!
Gary


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Date: 11/20/2005 | Time: 9:38:49 AM | Author: Scott R. Garrigus  
Message: Reverb or delay ?


Yeah, I'm like GGB when it comes to acoustic recordings. I like to add one reverb to the entire mix and use it to emulate an environment.

For electronic music though, anything goes.

Normally, reverb is used after delay and other effects, but there's nothing that says you can't mix and match any way you please. You never know... you could come up with something new that no one else has heard before.

Also, check out this article for some more info on this topic:

* Routing Audio Signals to Effects for Optimal Sound

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Date: 11/20/2005 | Time: 11:30:43 PM | Author: Sinisha  
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Thank you for your help !
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Date: 11/21/2005 | Time: 8:51:38 AM | Author: lawapa  
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Lots of different ideas on this huh Sinisha?

But that's what happens :)+) I hope something suits your fancy. I use my ol ear. If it sound good do it. If not loose it and do it different. Using a computer allows this in a way that old style recording didn't unless you had access to a studio 24 track or up.
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Date: 11/21/2005 | Time: 9:24:36 AM | Author: Ken  
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I may approach this this wrong way but it's how I like to do it anyway:

I get what I think is a good room reverb going for the drums in an Aux Channel. Then as final tracks are cut for the other instruments and I get around to mixing, I'll bus those tracks to that Aux channel (pre-fader) and dial in any reverb needed to help place the instrument in that same room as close or far away from the drums as I want. Again, this is only if I feel I want reverb on that instrument because sometimes I just want the instrument to stand up more toward the front in the mix.

Delay is a seperate issue and is strictly for pleasure and effect so no real rules apply there.
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