Sorry Guys, didn't mean to upset you... I just felt the need to defend myself after reading all the bad stuff the edge said about me in the tabloids...
I am a big fan of the guitar sounds of U2, but give little merrit to the edge as a guitarist. I am sure he's a real nice guy though.
<Although Shine is one of the few times Lanois has worked on himself, he stressed that he was a 'musician, not a producer'.
Lanois masterminded Bob Dylan's late 1990s comeback album
Many of the records he has produced have featured him on guitar, for example.
'I become musical director - and one of the band members - when I produce a record,' he said.
'Likewise with U2, I like to be The Edge's friend in the studio so that he doesn't have to be playing three parts at once.' >
Read that how you want to, but The Edge was created by Lanois and Eno. I'm a fan, but there's a drastic difference between old stuff and new stuff. If The Edge didn't sound like he did from 'Unforgettable Fire' (my favorite album)on, people wouldn't pay him much attention.
The biggest argument I ever got in on the old CW forum was with a Scot (Mick Kilbride) on this issue--what is it w/ you folks? ;-)
It's just cool stuff--certainly influenced me! I don't give him credit for inventing 'his sound', but he's certainly comfortable with it.
I wondered how Tom Petty's Amp was this long :-)
CAA
I just wrote Andre Agassi an email and told him I didn't respect him as a tennis player because he had (and still has) a coach. Jennifer Capriati is next.
I don't know man, I mean, everybody's always copying someone else's style. At Berkley all they do is sit around studying somebody else's style and technique. And all the great one's got their schtick from somebody else. But the notes come from that individual's fingers with their own flair and taste and there's no one else in the world that sounds exactly like they do. Heck, Frank Mahogany and Stevie Ray had a huge Jimi Hendrix influence in their sound and style (which inherently got passed down to Kenny Wayne Shepherd) but that's just music.
I know how you feel about Eno and Lanois,Cass. Especially Eno. And actually I'm not arguing; not at all. I just get the impression that you have less respect for The Edge because he has a coach.
Don't force me to brainwash you, man, and change the way you think. Resistance is futile, you know we have ways of re-programming your thoughts.
You've been brainwashed before, it can happen again.
<I just wrote Andre Agassi an email and told him I didn't respect him as a tennis player because he had (and still has) a coach.>
I'm not sure about the coach analogy, but I agreee I can be brainwashed :-)
This could be an endless debate, but all I'm saying is that The Edge has built his reputation on a distinct sound (a copy, if you will), of someone else. The best analogy I can come up with is Eddie Van Halen and his two-handed tapping. Many people believe he 'invented' it, which is far from the truth. He popularized it. Fortunately, that's not all he's known for--but if it were, it would be misleading.
I've always maintained that The Edge is known for 'his sound', NOT his ability. Someone tried to tell me he's a classical player--yeah, right. So, if he's known for 'his sound', and he got it from someone else, where is he?
Dude, people tell me I'm influenced by Fripp, and I've never listened to him....
It's a widely accepted fact that Brian Eno had absolutely NO influences, as he's from the planet Xultar.
Just look at it: Brian Eno. Rearrange in Nostradamus fashion, and you get 'Brain One', which is subliminally telling us that he's the first to think of his style of music--don't you see that?
It's plain as day!!!! Geez, do I have to spell out (pun intended) everything for you people?
:-)
CAA
>>>> think I may have the longest Tom Petty Amp
reply in the history of this forum ;)<<<<
To my recollection you have the only Tom Petty post here ever.
Just for your 'extending the thread' benefit and in the spirit of previous 'copying other players/singers' posts, is there anyone that has less talent and copies more than Tom Petty?
Geeze 20 years after Bob Dylan (who never could sing) and very simple guitar playing, song construction which was novel 20 years before him with sub par players, he, with or without the 'Heartbreakers' were the kings of copy, played and lame.
When he became popular, there were 10 garage bands I could name as better and until then I thought John Cougar Mellencamp was lame.
I disagree. Here's a review of one of his first
albums:
The debut of Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers came at a crucial time in American rock & roll history. Punk hadn't hit yet, and bloated rock dinosaurs like Bad Company and their ilk were still making life miserable for real rock & rollers. All the first generation roots-rock bands were gone. Petty's appearance marked the return of pure, unpretentious rock & roll that wasn't afraid to wear its '60s influences on its sleeve. The band's eponymous first album is full of Byrdsian ringing guitars, Dylan/McGuinn-style drawling vocals and pure pop hooks of the kind that hadn't been heard since the first Big Star album (and how many people heard Big Star at the time?). Petty also proved himself to be a world class pop songsmith on instant classics like 'American Girl' and 'Breakdown.'
I remember when the Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers album appeared in 1976. The most popular songs on the radio were safe and boring
('You are so Beautiful' by Joe Cocker YYeecccchhh) I'll take 'Breakdown' over the Wings 'Silly Love Songs' anytime. You want imitation, look to Lenny Kravitz.
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