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Old Goat
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Posted - 07/02/2012 :  4:39:02 PM  Show Profile  Visit Old Goat's Homepage  Reply with Quote  [Reply to Topic]  | [Reply w/ Quote]
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I have been thinking about building a passive mixer to play with just because I don't have enough projects going on at once. The I came across this http://www.digifreq.com/musictechshop/index.asp?ID=ART%20SPLITMix4 . I did the math and could barely build one for fifty bucks, so I got one.

I tried running my tracks to the four outs of my Echo Audiofire4 and back into 3 and 4, which don't have pres. It was awful. All kinds of artifacts and high comb filtering, just shite. I tried various things to no avail until finally, out of sheer brick-headed bloody mindedness I hauled my laptop down and hooked up the old E-MU 0404 USB. Four outs of the Echo into ART, 1 out split to 0404 into the lappy. Got a really nice track, but that's a pain in the ass way to get it.

Am I missing something about this OTB summing stuff?




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garrigus
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Posted - 07/03/2012 :  10:20:22 AM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hey Ed,

Not really sure. Maybe the Echo doesn't handle simultaneous in/out very well. I haven't tried this in a while.

Scott

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Old Goat
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Posted - 07/06/2012 :  7:45:59 PM  Show Profile  Visit Old Goat's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I just DL'd the latest and most up-to-datest drivers for my A4, which reputedly support multi-client operation. I know Sonar doesn't like to share drivers, but I'm going to try Sonar out to ART to Sound Forge and see who salutes. Might blow the whole thing up. Kinda regret giving away that Tascam 4 track...

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dirtysteve
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Posted - 07/07/2012 :  02:10:48 AM  Show Profile  Visit dirtysteve's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The DAC on the Echo is low end

The mixer is low end

Going back into ADC that's low end

And monitored in the end by DAC that's...you guessed it...low end.

Unless you have solid DAC going into a nice box that's designed specifically to sum a final mix I've found the end results are pretty crappy. Dumping a mix to 1/4" tape is a different story, but doing the loopty loop back into your DAW is something I've never had much success with, even with solid converters and an analog board that has a decent sound.

This is where ITB mixing stomps OTB. $$$$

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Old Goat
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Posted - 07/07/2012 :  8:54:25 PM  Show Profile  Visit Old Goat's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Give a listen, Steve, it didn't come out too bad.

http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=11753166&q=hi&newref=1

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Posted - 07/08/2012 :  11:43:15 AM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hey Ed,

Sounds good. Did you record it live all at once, or did you record the guitar and vocal separately?

Scott

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Old Goat
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Posted - 07/08/2012 :  4:04:08 PM  Show Profile  Visit Old Goat's Homepage  Reply with Quote
All at once. AT 4050 on vocals, CAD 2000 on the guitar, Oktava M-012 on guitar, AKG Per. 200 room.

I put the latest drivers on the Echo, and now Sonar tells me that 3-4 are being used by another program and mutes the output. Could the Media Player be screwing me up?

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Posted - 07/09/2012 :  08:43:55 AM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I don't know for sure, but yeah, it's possible.

Does your PC have a built-in soundcard? If so, I would assign Windows to use that built-in card so that it will leave the Echo alone. That way SONAR gets the Echo all to itself.

That's what I've done on my machine and it works great. No interference from Windows and SONAR gets exclusive access to the V700.

Scott

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dirtysteve
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Posted - 07/09/2012 :  1:52:45 PM  Show Profile  Visit dirtysteve's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Old Goat

Give a listen, Steve, it didn't come out too bad.

http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=11753166&q=hi&newref=1



Ed can you post the ITB mix also for a side by side comparison?

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Old Goat
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Posted - 07/09/2012 :  6:26:14 PM  Show Profile  Visit Old Goat's Homepage  Reply with Quote
When I get some studio time.

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Posted - 07/10/2012 :  02:23:26 AM  Show Profile  Visit dirtysteve's Homepage  Reply with Quote
10-4

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