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 Posted - 04/29/2012 : 9:37:51 PM
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Since upgrading from my very old Sonar (2.2) to Sonar producer 8.5 with session drummer, "looping" to build up a song idea has become a frustrating and nearly impossible venture, and I've tried no less than 10 times over almost 2 years now to get help from Cakewalk. Over and over all they do is thank me in email and tell me of the support I'll soon get, and there never is a followup. Sometimes they have replied with all the usual checklists for me to follow, but eventually they abandon me, never considering the remote possibility that they may actually have a bug! I've also spent upwards of an hour on hold trying to resolve this on the phone, and finally have to give up waiting. The support never comes. So I'm asking for some of you to please try this and tell me if you get the same result.
What you'll need to do is route the output of the snare, kick, and "all other" drum sounds from session drummer 3, to three different tracks ( so you can process them separately). Now, create (or just load in) an 8 bar drum pattern. Edit if necessary so that at least one other drum or cymbal is pretty obviously right on top of the snare. Now, with snap to grid on, select the exact 4 or 8 bars take up by the drum pattern, enable it as "loop points", set a nice medium tempo like 120, and let it loop and play back.
Now, tell me if after a few minutes the drums audibly begin to drift out of sync with each other. For me, this will every time! If I wait long enough, you'd think the different drums were being played back from separate clock sources or processes that over time drift apart. The result? The loop becomes an out of sync mess. So the ability to have a loop going while you experiment to build up a grove with other drums or tracks is totally impossible. Unless I want to stop every 1/2 minute, reset the now pointer, and re-start. (Not very condusive to creativity!)
This is ridiculous, and for the many hundreds of dollars I paid, you'd think Cakewalk would want to at least try to follow up with me. certainly whatever is causing the loss of sync, all cakewalk would have to do is make a fix to re-synchronize everything each time a loop repeats, and the problem would be gone. But they won't even follow up with me. So is my hope that a few others will also be able to reproduce this problem, and maybe at least one person with some clout (like Scott!), that Cakewalk would NOT be able to ignore.
Sorry for ranting, but I really have tried almost a dozen times to resolve this, and the only work-around I have is to NOT use Sonar. And that really sucks!
Thanks for any help. If it matters, I'm running XP pro on a 3.1Ghz Pentium 4, hyper-threaded machine with 4-gig of Ram, and a pair of 500 gig SATA HDs. My sound card is an M-Audio / Delta 96/24, and I always use the soundcard clock as a time source.
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Posted - 05/02/2012 : 12:30:17 PM
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Well thanks for answering Greg. What I'd really hoped was that someone would try to duplicate and verify. But from the second link its clear that not only have others had an issue, but that its continuing through newer versions of Sonar too. Sadly, more proof that Cakewalk is not attentive to bug reports. I seem to only upgrade my Sonar version every 10 years anyway, so more reasons not to jump at every new offering.
I'd still appreciate you (or someone) trying to duplicate it. One thing I've found is that I've always been in the habit of routing my "kick", "snare", and "all other" SD-3 drums to three different tracks, so i could process t6hem separately. If I DON'T do that, and route all drum kit outputs to one track, the drums do seem to stay in sync with each other. At least that is a work around, though the jury is still out on how long the loop can go without the drums losing sync with other audio tracks! |
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Posted - 05/03/2012 : 4:39:39 PM
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Sorry Scott! (I have no clue why my brain typed Greg ... DUH! ;-)
Yes... I'm inserting SD-3 exactly as you said (I'm not sure I even know of another way). And yes ASIO drivers, and an older but still solid M-Audio sound card.
I can offer a sample project that illustrates the issue, if you or anyone else can verify. Just not sure how to get it to you. I guess a CWP file to some FTP location? |
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Posted - 05/08/2012 : 7:35:20 PM
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Scott,
I don't think you need to duplicate this problem to help me. I'm satisfied I've found one workaround that works... temporarily route all drums from SD3 to a single track when I need to experiment with a loop. There also seems to be another possible reported work around with X1 and SD-3 involving the use of the metronome during playback, which somehow help resynchronize things, but I haven't gotten it to work in 8.5 producer yet.
BUT... since you write some very good books, I'd encourage you to try to duplicate this problem. I've started a thread discussing it on the cakewalk forums (I don't know if this like will work for you, but the thread is at http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?high=&m=2564955&mpage=1#2566383 ). Several people have made other suggestions there but even more important, several people with differen5t setups have confirmed that this is an issue they've dealt with too. So since Cakewalk has no interest if solving or addressing it, you might as well try to make it happen and nail down whether my work around 9or anyone's) is valid in all cases. If nothing else, it just makes your books series and your online addendums more valuable to everyone. |
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Posted - 05/17/2012 : 2:22:26 PM
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| By the way, for what its worth Cakewalk recently corresponded with me on this topic, and I sent them a sample project to prove the problem. Shortly after they sent me an apology and indicated that they were indeed able to reproduce the problem, and that they are looking into it. |
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