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Buzzard
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Posted - 02/03/2012 :  08:15:35 AM  Show Profile  Visit Buzzard's Homepage  Reply with Quote  [Reply to Topic]  | [Reply w/ Quote]
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Ok something that's been bugging me..

When im mixing a project from Sonar Through the ZedR16 Board do i pan in Sonar or on the Zed with regards to mono channels

At the moment if i want to output a mono vox from Sonar to say channel 1 of the Zed i pan 1/2 outputs in Sonar full left & the vox plays in channel 1 of the Zed..



Just not sure hense the confusion...


Found this on the nett...

"believe this is the way all DAW software works. At least every one that I have used. When summing you should pan the tracks on your Zed to tracks 1-2 left-right, 3-4 left-right and so on for all 16 tracks. Then you can pan your mono tracks in your software to where you want them. So you really have 8 stereo tracks or 16 tracks to sum to. No need to mute or turn off anything."





Buzz...

Edited by - Buzzard on 02/03/2012 08:17:14 AM
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garrigus
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Posted - 02/03/2012 :  1:14:18 PM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I don't have any experience with the Zed, but if you're just using it as an audio interface, can't you create a mono track in SONAR and just assign its output to one of the Zed outputs to do the same thing?

Scott

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Buzzard
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Posted - 02/03/2012 :  4:13:36 PM  Show Profile  Visit Buzzard's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi Scott

Yep im already doing that but wonder if that's giving me the correct panning in my mix that way...just not sure

It's the Sonar & Zed hybrid system causing me the headaches...

Buzz...

Edited by - Buzzard on 02/03/2012 4:14:21 PM
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garrigus
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Posted - 02/04/2012 :  11:08:19 AM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hmm... maybe DS has some advice. I think he either has a Zed or has used one.

I really don't know...

Scott

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Buzzard
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Posted - 02/06/2012 :  07:02:38 AM  Show Profile  Visit Buzzard's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hmmm

Think i'll ring Allen & Heath & check im doing things right..

This hybrid system of Zed & Sonar is making my brain hurt

Buzz...

Edited by - Buzzard on 02/06/2012 07:03:54 AM
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dirtysteve
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Posted - 02/06/2012 :  10:50:05 PM  Show Profile  Visit dirtysteve's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The ZED R series is so different from what I have. Not really in hardware of course but in software.

My ZED14 is USB, no drivers, a 16 bit interface; while the R16 is Firewire with drivers and an entire multi-channel routing panel.

The USB interface forces me to use the computer almost literally like a digital tape machine recording 1 track at a time, while the Firewire ZED is a complex multi-track interface. I'm also not so sure I entirely understand the boggle with what Buz is trying to do. Seems to me it would be necessary to choose output routing from Sonar AND input routing on the ZED's panel. And, it's no wonder your head hurts from it all, Buzz. That stuff always hurt my head too when I was using my BLA modded 1814FW. Output routing in the Sonar track view and Input routing in the M-Audio panel could sometimes be a little taxing when I was mixing OTB.

To be honest I feel so much more freedom getting the best mono signal in analog OTB and capturing that in Sonar, plain and simple. Then mixing entirely ITB. Sometimes processing OTB of course; reamping, adding hardware reverb or delay, etc. But mixing for me is entirely ITB now. It also forces me to commit to certain things right up front. EQ on the ZED on the way in (sometimes), certain hardware FX when tracking electric guitars, and making some hardware compression decisions up front and committing to them as well. Compression is something I've moved far away from as well though. Mostly when I use compression any more it's ITB with a Stillwell plug and sometimes Voxengo's Voxformer. When creating a final mix though, I do go to Voxengo Elephant for Maximizing.

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Buzzard
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Posted - 02/09/2012 :  07:06:39 AM  Show Profile  Visit Buzzard's Homepage  Reply with Quote
DS looks like i have this routing problem finally sorted..

In Sonar i discovered you don't have to pan in Sonar to send a mono trk to a single Zed Channel all i needed to do was click "show Mono Outputs" in Sonar Options / Audio although nothing changed visually when i did this i got Sonar & Zed to finally route mono trks as i wanted..

Before this was done Sonar's mono trk's where outputting to stereo on the Zed Board causing all the trouble..

With regards to mixing im doing this OTB & also ITB..

Ive got loads of outboard Comps & fx which i use all the time & prefer the sound of But Im also mixing ITB when needed..sometimes i have a mix on the Zed board & don't want to move anything till im done






Atleast i can say the Sonar/Zed Trk routing problems are over

Buzz...

Edited by - Buzzard on 02/09/2012 07:08:28 AM
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garrigus
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Posted - 02/09/2012 :  11:50:14 AM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Cool... thanks for posting the solution, Sean. I'm sure other users will find it useful too.

Scott

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dirtysteve
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Posted - 02/09/2012 :  8:30:33 PM  Show Profile  Visit dirtysteve's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Glad you got it worked out Buzz. There's nothing more frustrating than routing prob's man. It's great you'll get to move forward doing what you need to do while including the ZED board.

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Buzzard
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Posted - 02/10/2012 :  03:20:09 AM  Show Profile  Visit Buzzard's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yes Cheers

This made alot of my routing problems disappear & made my mixes so much better & allowed my mono channels to be mono..




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Edited by - Buzzard on 02/10/2012 03:44:27 AM
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