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GitPick
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Posted - 08/11/2009 :  8:07:58 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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1) "Will my 32 bit version of Sonar 8 realize a significant gain on Vista 32 bit and the Core i7 CPU & 64 bit machine Vs my old P4 at 3/06 Ghz???"
2) "Should I stay with the Vista 32 bit OS for now (6 Gb ram)or make the leap to Vista 64 bit?"
3) "Will Cakewalk give me any price consideration for the Sonar 8 - 64 bit program after having spent a wad on the Soanr 8 - 32 bit program?"



Hi Sandy,

Welcome to the forum!

1. Yes, there will definitely be a significant performance increase because when you move to a dual-core or quad-core machine your available processing power increases tremendously and SONAR is designed to take advantage of multiple processors.

2. There are still some things that don't work under 64-bit, but a lot of people have switched to that platform. And you can still run 32-bit software under a 64-bit OS. Also, under 32-bit you can only use 4GB of RAM. You need 64-bit to use more. Take a look at this section of the Cakewalk web site for some additional info: http://www.cakewalk.com/PCResource/SONARx64.asp

3. You don't need to purchase a another copy of SONAR because Cakewalk graciously includes both 32-bit and 64-bit versions of SONAR in the same package. So you already have it. The installation DVD automatically recognizes the OS you're using.

Best,
Scott



I can't tell you how much I appreciate you taking the time to respond to my query & specially so fast!!
I needed that info regarding the 32 & 64 bit versions being on the DVD I got for my Sonar 8 Pkg.
As far as other programs are concerned, I don't really even want other programs on my music computer other than the ones I absolutly have to have like a printer driver, Vista OS and the communications stuff to keep everything Up dated. I suppose I have to have some kind of Virus protection due to the communication needs. I traditionally use Norton but will try for something cheaper and basic for the odd time I'm going to use it for Web use.
Any suggestions in regard to other programs I may absolutely need for a dedicated music computer with Sonar and Vista?
I know that Sweetwater and other "dedicated Music Computer" makers reduce the un-needed programs and interruptions but I wonder if it will be that easy to do that with Vista?
What I would normally do is eliminate as many programs as possible from the start-up menue. With my curtrent system, I still get all sorts of weird things operating with names I can't seem to find programs for.
When I hit CTR-ALt-Del and the task manager comes up, I make a list of all the programs that crash the system when I stop them. I leave THOSE programs running and stop the other programs that end without problems.
The problem with that method is you have to do it everytime you start your computer!
All ideas and input will be welcome on this issue. I hope it isn't off topic too much.

Sincerel;y,

Gitpick
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lawapa
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Posted - 08/12/2009 :  12:01:26 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No virus protection. It will gum up the works for a dedicated music computer. If possible use another computer to download updates via flash drive and keep that DAW off the net. No kidding.

Love to make that music,as well I love to tweak,Make my own sample sets
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GitPick
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Posted - 08/12/2009 :  01:04:31 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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No virus protection. It will gum up the works for a dedicated music computer. If possible use another computer to download updates via flash drive and keep that DAW off the net. No kidding.



Yes I don't want to go online with the music machine. However, there occasionally comes a time when you have to have the machine on-line for proper upgrading (I think!)
I tried to use the Mem stick for a DVD writer upgrade and it didn't work for some reason. Maybe just my ignorance..? any way, when your going to only safe sites like Cakewalk and registered hardwar4e vendors sites for a quick in-out upgrade I don't think that would constitute a huge risk. would it?

Back at ya,


Gitpick
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otto
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Posted - 08/12/2009 :  01:27:56 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You should enable the Windows firewall at least. That will shield you a bit from stuff just out there trying to ping your computer and screw you up. Just being connected to the internet has it's risks, even if you don't go anywhere.

Edited by - otto on 08/12/2009 01:28:41 AM
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GitPick
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Posted - 08/12/2009 :  10:09:37 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by otto

You should enable the Windows firewall at least. That will shield you a bit from stuff just out there trying to ping your computer and screw you up. Just being connected to the internet has it's risks, even if you don't go anywhere.


Yes that is true, I'll have to use something. However from what I read about Vista hackers will have to have a new set of codes to get anything to work on 64 bit! Probably not too much in the way of hacker programs for 64 bit as yet.

Sincerely,

Gitpick
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garrigus
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Posted - 08/12/2009 :  11:56:13 AM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by GitPick


I know that Sweetwater and other "dedicated Music Computer" makers reduce the un-needed programs and interruptions but I wonder if it will be that easy to do that with Vista?
What I would normally do is eliminate as many programs as possible from the start-up menue. With my curtrent system, I still get all



You don't really need to do all kinds of optimizations any more because of all the power that these newer systems provide. Too much tweaking can actually be a bad thing because the software is designed to work on normally functioning Windows systems. Of course, the fewer things running means the more CPU power you have available, which is why I don't use my system to access the Internet. That way I don't need to install firewall or anti-virus software or anything else that's need for regular computing tasks. If you plan to get a quad-core machine though, I really wouldn't worry about it too much. These machines really have a lot of power... a very big difference from a single-core Pentium 4 machine.

Scott

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* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks
* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar ProAudioTutor video tutorial series: http://garrigus.com/?ProAudioTutor
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Jim Sturm
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Posted - 09/03/2009 :  3:44:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well, if I read the info right, I just lost my last excuse for not building a new system.

As I understand it, the new version of Sonar will let you run 32 bit plugins on a 64 bit OS. I guess I might as well make the full jump to W7 at the same time. Might as well go for a huge, widescreen monotor, as well. Darn, I'll need to upgrade my MOTU and UAD cards, too...

Of course, this means a new set of tribulations; a new dual quad platform, a new 64 bit OS... Why I should be debugging for another two years! Joy! Ahhh, but the bliss of loading up a system with 128 Gb of RAM... mmmmmmm

And with the way the economy's going, I might as well just charge it all, rather than actually pay for any of it!

I can't wait!

Darn you, Cakewalk!!!

-Jim



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lawapa
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Posted - 09/03/2009 :  8:39:34 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Darn you, Cakewalk!!!


Don't they do this from time to time. Make it impossible to resist.

A dual quad system with enough ram to load the entire philharmonic orchestra. And run 60 tracks of audio to boot.

When you selling tickets? I'm in.

Love to make that music,as well I love to tweak,Make my own sample sets
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garrigus
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Posted - 09/03/2009 :  8:45:06 PM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hey Jim,

Actually, current versions already let you run 32-bit plugs in 64-bit via a feature called Bit Bridge. But they are supposed to have improved it a lot in this upcoming version.

I'm still running the Vista32 that came with my new PC just to see how it runs with that first. But I'm pretty certain I'll be converting it totally to 64-bit afterward because I'll still be keeping my older PC in service and might even network them together for more video rendering power among other things.

So you're going to take the plunge?

Scott

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* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks
* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar ProAudioTutor video tutorial series: http://garrigus.com/?ProAudioTutor
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DaVinci
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Posted - 09/03/2009 :  11:18:34 PM  Show Profile  Visit DaVinci's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Wow that's one sweet machine Scott!!!!

Isn't amazing how much more raw power we have these days compared to just a half a decade ago.

I just upgraded to a new Mac Pro Dual Quad Nehalem Xeon machine with 16 GB RAM, 5 TB (4 hard drives). It has basically made it so that I only have one excuse for not making music: my lack of skill. lol

You must be loving the creative headroom your machine has to offer. I run Vista x64 on the Boot Camp side and there is a definite advantage of being able to actually address the full RAM your machine has. 32-bit Vista will be limited to only seeing 4GB.

Anyways, looking forward to checking out some of your new creativity that flows through the new DAW.
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Jim Sturm
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Posted - 09/04/2009 :  09:09:18 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm sure I will soon, Scott. I am VERY interested to hear what you find when you plunge into the full 64 bit OS. That's my intent with this machine. No boot camp, no multi boot - just raw, dedicated, one purpose no-Internet DAW. I want to know your experience with the new Sonar release running those 32 bit plugins on a 64 bit OS... Saves me some headaches!

DV! (I assume you're the same DV sAx fiend of yore ) That's basically what I think I'll be building. At least that's my plan at this point. I think the Nehalems have about a 10% edge over the i7. That's the plan as it stands anyway.

We'll see how it develops. We'll also see what happens on the initial production release of W7. That's another factor.

-Jim

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garrigus
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Posted - 09/04/2009 :  4:31:57 PM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hey DaVinci -- Looks like you've got a pretty sweet machine yourself! 16GB of RAM? and 5TB of storage? Damn, that thing should last you for a good long time. Is that dedicated DAW or are you using it for other tasks too?

Hey Jim -- Yeah, both my machines are dedicated (although I use my old and will probably use the new one for some multimedia work too). But neither one touches the Net. The only thing I'm not sure about is whether I should go with Vista64 (a copy of which I already have) or wait and go straight to Windows 7. Still thinking about that...

Scott

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* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks
* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar ProAudioTutor video tutorial series: http://garrigus.com/?ProAudioTutor
* Publisher of the DigiFreq free music technology newsletter: http://www.digifreq.com/
* Publisher of the NewTechReview free consumer technology newsletter: http://www.newtechreview.com/
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DaVinci
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Posted - 09/04/2009 :  10:23:54 PM  Show Profile  Visit DaVinci's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Jim, same DV from before :), although picked up a little guitar recently on top of Sax and Piano. How are you? Good luck with the getting the new machine, I absolutely love not being able to max out a computer, makes the possibilities endless.

Scott, yeah it's not too shabby. I use it as my main computer at home, I also have a laptop for portable workstation.

Both machines are used for DAW (Logic 9), Internet, Video Editing (Final Cut/Premier), Motion Graphics (AE/Motion 4/Cinema4D), Programming (VS2005, Xcode) and of course the occasional game of Civ or Bioshock.


www.motusgames.com - What I've been up to the last 4 years. Glad to be back though!
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Jim Sturm
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Posted - 09/05/2009 :  07:21:59 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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...whether I should go with Vista64 (a copy of which I already have) or wait and go straight to Windows 7....



Yes, I have the same dilemma. One hand tells me I should get a head start by going with the latest and greatest. The other one says 'Remember Windows ME?'

I imagine I'll wait until after the first of the year. Waiting is almost always a good thing. There will be some global experience with W7, hardware prices will continue to drop (maybe I can afford a pair of 5540s instead of 5520s,) and Cakewalk will have released (at least) their first patch!

Man, if I only wasn't paying 'spousal support' (VA no longer has alimony - I guess this euphonism is supposed to make everyone feel better about it) I could buy a new machine every month! Not sure why I'd actually want to do THAT though...

-Jim


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garrigus
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Posted - 09/06/2009 :  11:58:19 AM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Oh, man... if I had the money, I'd have like 10 racks full of maybe 5 rack PCs each all networked together to form my own mini super computer.

Scott

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* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks
* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar ProAudioTutor video tutorial series: http://garrigus.com/?ProAudioTutor
* Publisher of the DigiFreq free music technology newsletter: http://www.digifreq.com/
* Publisher of the NewTechReview free consumer technology newsletter: http://www.newtechreview.com/
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