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djones
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Posted - 10/30/2007 :  9:29:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  [Reply to Topic]  | [Reply w/ Quote]
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Using the ASIO drivers with the Edirol FA-66 using a soft synth with MIDI track. (Happens with several synths.)

The audio engine now keeps kicking off every few minutes. I can re-enable (usually---once it wouldn't turn back on so had to restart SONAR), but after a few more minutes, off it goes again. And all this when the Dual Core 2.5 GHz Intels show no more than 20% utilization and 4 Gig memory hardly touched.

I would have expected no audio problems unless the CPU is more cranked than 20%. No?

Would getting a new the audio device (returning the FA-66) help? Cakewalk recommended the FA-66 and said many of their developers user them. Maybe it's me / my system. I've changed latency slider, buffers, buffer sizes. Maybe the FA-66 just isn't right for my system?




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Posted - 10/31/2007 :  10:34:47 AM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I have the FA-66 too (well, the Cakewalk version but it's the same hardware) and it works great. Do you have the latest drivers? Have you tried using the WDM drivers instead of ASIO?

Scott

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Posted - 10/31/2007 :  8:42:20 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, I'm using the latest drivers. I was trying for ASIO because Cakewalk suggested ASIO if I had a choice.I've switched now to WDM (and by the way, the MS Synth disappeared from the MIDI out again---don't know what's up with that).

I'm using 2 buffers, buffer size 64K (as S6Power recommends). The audio seemed more stable, but still stopped a couple of times over the period of an hour. I have the latency set to 12ms. When set to 6ms, the audio stops more frequently, and I can't predict when.

Scott, what settings do you use with the FA-66? Maybe I'll use those as a starting point.

Also, is there some sort of "sure fire" way to get an audio engine to stop if it's going to? If I could make it stop at will, at least I could tell if I'm making progress with my tweaks.

Thanks!
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Posted - 11/01/2007 :  11:01:57 AM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Mine runs fine with the ASIO drivers. The settings in the ASIO panel are all Normal. Not sure if you have the same panel because Cakewalk had their own drivers for my SPS-66 (which is the same hardware as the FA-66, but a special unit made for Cakewalk).

If WDM works better, then you should use that. You could try increasing the buffers to 4 and set the buffer size to 128K (which is the default now).

Scott

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Posted - 11/01/2007 :  4:56:05 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks. I'm going to tinker with the ASIO again tonight and see if I can get the latency down with them.

If the FA-66 is the same hardware as the SPS-66, hmmmm. If those ASIO drivers seem to work better, I wonder if I could use them instead of Edirol's. Maybe Cakewalk had them add something that improves the hardware's performance specifically with SONAR, or (more likely) had them remove everything not needed in SONAR.

Edited by - djones on 11/01/2007 5:47:47 PM
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Posted - 11/01/2007 :  6:06:37 PM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I would use WDM since those seemed to work better for you and just try the different settings I mentioned. ASIO isn't better. Both driver models provide similar performance but for some reason one may work better than the other depending on the PC. That's has been my experience.

And no, the drivers aren't interchangeable. I had tried using the FA-66 drivers before I knew Cakewalk had their own and they wouldn't work with my hardware. I suppose you could try them, but they probably won't work.

Scott

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Posted - 11/01/2007 :  8:30:15 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I went back to the ASIO and your suggested buffer sizes of 128/128, and set the two buffer sliders inside the ASIO control panel to minimum. After tinkering for two hours loading and running several soft synths with multiple FX's at the same time: no dropout, and latency at 2.6ms.

I'm not changing a thing. :)

Now that I'm sure SONAR and soft synths will work with my setup, I'm off to get a real keyboard and a MIDI controller.

Thanks for your help, again.
Don
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Posted - 11/02/2007 :  09:29:01 AM  Show Profile  Visit garrigus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi Don,

Cool... I'm glad I could help.

Scott

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