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| Davo |
Posted - 05/24/2006 : 8:13:30 PM
Hi all,
about 6 months ago i gave a friend a cd with a few songs on it, he said he liked it and could i mix some of his stuff, i said i would love to, so about a week ago i recieved a cd back from him and on listening to the tracks noticed a few "lyrical similarities"
now my question is are these similarities just "common use phrases" and therefore open for use by all or did he rip off my stuff?
example 1. i wrote "I feel so alone in a crowd"
he wrote "I feel so lonely in a crowd"
example 2. i wrote" "Feels like i've always known you"
he wrote""Feels like i've known you forever"
am i being paranoid? surely no-one would rip off stuff then send you that stuff to mix? but gee, i am a bit suss about it.
would love to hear what you guys think about it.
Cheers
Davo |
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| DenHollinden |
Posted - 10/15/2006 : 8:59:12 PM
Hey, Davo,
I think how POed I got about the examples you gave would depend on the rhythmic/chordal structure under the lyrics. For example, if he lifted the hook and changed the words a bit, that would qualify as grand theft in my book. If not, it might still be petty larceny but not the kind you get your hands chopped off for, y' know?
That said, another reason I wouldn't get too concerned is that you seem to have the edge here. "I feel so alone in a crowd" is kind of cool, but "I feel so lonely in a crowd" kind of ****s. It sounds like he might be trying to learn from you--that whole bit about immitation/flattery.
Finally, as a general note to the other posters about well-worn lyric ideas: I feel it's an advantage to write country music, because the cliche's are expected. You can use a cliche', make fun of it or turn it on its head, and it's all good. By the way, just in case you haven't heard it, you need to listen to Buck Owens' "you're a Real Good Friend." That song definitely applies here! : )
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Originally posted by Davo
Hi all,
about 6 months ago i gave a friend a cd with a few songs on it, he said he liked it and could i mix some of his stuff, i said i would love to, so about a week ago i recieved a cd back from him and on listening to the tracks noticed a few "lyrical similarities"
now my question is are these similarities just "common use phrases" and therefore open for use by all or did he rip off my stuff?
example 1. i wrote "I feel so alone in a crowd"
he wrote "I feel so lonely in a crowd"
example 2. i wrote" "Feels like i've always known you"
he wrote""Feels like i've known you forever"
am i being paranoid? surely no-one would rip off stuff then send you that stuff to mix? but gee, i am a bit suss about it.
would love to hear what you guys think about it.
Cheers
Davo
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| Pablo |
Posted - 10/13/2006 : 08:22:29 AM
Davo, the examples you gave have been around since granma was in nappies. This is not a critisism. Lyrics are limited as far as words go. How you write about love gone wrong without pain, rain, never again, sweet refrain, take these chains, heart, apart, new start....
you can go original and use "fart", but then your love song turns to an after rubgy getting pissed song.
If you study lyrics of Cole Porter, etc.. you will find nothing which has not been copied hundreds of times by his contemps or even by people like Lennon-McCartney, who came years after. I myself, always find myself ripping examples off old songs, not intentionally, but its a natural composition process. We compose lyrics, we cant all invent them.
Its like saying the cook aint original cause he made cabbage soup using cabbage.
So if your pal stole your words,dont mean he put them in the right place or song.
Cheers
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| stratcat33511 |
Posted - 08/14/2006 : 4:08:09 PM
That is a poor attmpt at sarcasm on my part
And sorry I didnt properly answer above either
No it's not good
Once you structure something in a phonorecord its your copyright
SO they'd better not rip you off
Sorry I was in another mindset
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| Rezn8 |
Posted - 05/30/2006 : 09:55:21 AM
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Originally posted by stratcat33511
I've read that clever mixing of words are confusing to listeners.
Then again - how do we explain Anthony Keidis of the RHCP?
Keidis did something clever? Where? |
| firefox |
Posted - 05/29/2006 : 9:40:35 PM
What's even worse is when you give somebody a CD and they rename your songs and tell everybody they did it.
It's happened to me.
Not that we're making hit records but watch your back! |
| stratcat33511 |
Posted - 05/25/2006 : 09:13:20 AM
If it grooves with the music rhythmically I say go for it
I do that exact same thing, editing sentences
I try to write in coherent sentences, the way they are spoken.
If a lyric doesnt work ( and most of mine dont initially)
it gets erased until the phrase reveals itself, while listeneing to a mix cd of lyrical trials
I've read that clever mixing of words are confusing to listeners.
Then again - how do we explain Anthony Keidis of the RHCP?
Bottom line is I think it's good what he's doing.
Go with it and see where it leads.
Try not to get too hung up on it and flow with it.
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| Davo |
Posted - 05/24/2006 : 10:43:37 PM
hi Gk
yeh, maybe i am being a bit sensitive, it just stuck out like a sore thumb on listening.
i guess everyone is different, if it was me, i would actually change anything that i thought could be percieved as being "lifted" from another source. no matter how innocently it occurred.
dont think i'll bother mentioning it to the bloke concerned, not worth losing a friend over, and i would like to believe it was a coincidence.
Cheers
Davo |
| GK_Studio |
Posted - 05/24/2006 : 9:58:30 PM
Hey Davo,
I can tell you I have used both of these lines (or very close to them) at certain times so I wouldn't be too concerned. But I wouldn't be giving him any of my CDs anymore also.
You know Metallica tried to copywrite the E,F chord progression... |
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